{"id":197,"date":"2008-02-01T22:37:21","date_gmt":"2008-02-02T05:37:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/2008\/02\/01\/the-bayly-brothers-and-the-trinity\/"},"modified":"2015-10-19T20:29:08","modified_gmt":"2015-10-20T03:29:08","slug":"the-bayly-brothers-and-the-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/2008\/02\/01\/the-bayly-brothers-and-the-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"The Bayly brothers and the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Awhile back I was asked to consider posting a comment on a very strong complementarian blog that is known to be rather unloving towards egalitarians. This particular blog, I found, was run by two pastors of a Presbyterian church who appear to think that egalitarians do not have the right Jesus or the right gospel and they have taken it upon themselves to \u201crip\u201d at the sheep who do not belong to their own complementarian flock. Since there is only one good shepherd and he is the shepherd and master of the entire flock, I wondered how Jesus feels about under-shepherds who mistreat the sheep.<\/p>\n

I was quite shocked to see how a fine Greek scholar (Suzanne McCarthy) was treated on their blog not only because they did not have an answer to her explanation of the Greek from the original Greek manuscripts, but also because they told her as a woman that she was to be quiet. Apparently they didn\u2019t have an answer either to what I said about the Trinity because they shut down the comments within a short time of my posting my comments and recommended that a woman should do a Titus 2 work in order to help me to understand the Trinity since I apparently didn\u2019t know a thing about the Trinity. You can read the original post of the Bayly brothers here.<\/a><\/p>\n

Since I am in the research and writing process of our newest DVD on the Trinity and a part of the DVD will deal with the errors of the complementarian position which teaches that Jesus is eternally subordinated in role, in will, in authority underneath the Father, I am interested in how I will be corrected by one of the women followers of the Bayly brothers. Kamilla is willing to do this \u201ccorrection\u201d and I am offering this post for our discussions. This public forum is for two reasons. First of all a public discussion is always best to create a permanent record of the argument and so all can see the attitude that comes through. We are all encouraged by Paul to be gentle and respectful so that all can judge for themselves the argument without any quarreling or disrespect. Paul instructed Timothy:<\/p>\n

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2 Timothy 2:24 The Lord\u2019s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged,<\/p>\n

2 Timothy 2:25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

The second reason is that I think we can all learn and participate in this discussion and since my time is limited because of the DVD project, I would love to welcome those who have things to say about the Trinity to be able to do so in a safe environment.<\/p>\n

Since I greatly desire a respectful conversation and since I know most if not all of you who are regulars on my blog agree with me, I think we can welcome Kamilla as a complementarian sister and ask her to make her time here an exercise in grace a.k.a. 2 Timothy 2:24, 25. Everyone who is interested in this kind of discussion is also welcome with these rules:<\/p>\n

1. Correspond in the tone that you would if Jesus was sitting by your side and reading every word you are typing.<\/p>\n

2. Remember that healthy discussion and passion is fine as long as there are no personal attacks and the language is respectful. Jesus said that they would know us by our love. (John 13:35) Let\u2019s prove to the world which ones are really Jesus\u2019 disciples in this forum.<\/p>\n

3. Be patient and kind especially since my time is limited and I cannot always answer right away.<\/p>\n

4. If you do not follow these rules, I reserve the right to edit out inappropriate content or remove your posts altogether. All new posters will have their first post held for pre-approval.<\/p>\n

5. Women and men are both welcome to post and no one will be told to \u201cbe quiet\u201d because of your gender.<\/p>\n

Kamilla may not be on-line until Monday, however if any of you other dear souls have comments about why you believe that it is important to see Jesus as equal with the Father in will, in authority and in \u201crole\u201d, you are welcome to post. If Suzanne reads this post and comes to interact, I would like to just say \u201cYou go girl! You are welcome and respected here as a dear sister in Christ.\u201d<\/p>\n

Cheryl<\/p>\n<\/body>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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