{"id":1828,"date":"2010-02-09T23:25:46","date_gmt":"2010-02-10T06:25:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=1828"},"modified":"2015-10-19T20:25:08","modified_gmt":"2015-10-20T03:25:08","slug":"womens-speaking-dishonors-men","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/2010\/02\/09\/womens-speaking-dishonors-men\/","title":{"rendered":"Common objections: women's speaking and leading dishonors men"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

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Another common objection to women in ministry is the claim that when women speak and lead publicly it dishonors men.<\/p>\n

The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) speaks of this as dishonoring the \u201ccalling\u201d of men:<\/p>\n

We would say that the teaching inappropriate for a woman\u00a0is the teaching of men in settings or ways that dishonor the calling of men to bear the\u00a0primary responsibility for teaching and leadership. This primary responsibility is to be\u00a0carried by the pastors or elders. Therefore we think it is God\u2019s will that only men bear the\u00a0responsibility for this office. (pg 64 online version)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

One thing that we can notice from the quote above is that CBMW says \u201cwe think<\/em><\/strong> it is God\u2019s will\u2026\u201d. \u00a0The fact that they don\u2019t know for sure is telling. The fact is that God has not revealed in the Scriptures that it is His will that only men can teach and lead in their gifts. God has also not revealed that women can never teach and lead with their gifts in the body of Christ. \u00a0Instead of a sure word from God, \u201cinappropriateness\u201d of the public use of women\u2019s gifts is a position based on what some surmise is God\u2019s will. \u00a0It is result of the teaching that men alone bear the God-ordained\u00a0responsibility\u00a0for teaching.<\/p>\n

CBMW continues with the thought that it isn\u2019t about competency:<\/p>\n

The issue is not whether women are\u00a0competent or intelligent or wise or well-taught. The issue is how they relate to the men of\u00a0the church. \u2026\u00a0So the issue of shamefulness is at root an issue of doing\u00a0something that would dishonor the role of the men<\/em><\/strong> as leaders of the congregation. (pg 65 online version, my emphasis)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So, according to CBMW, the issue is not about whether God gifts women or about women\u2019s intelligence or their wisdom or how well-taught they are. The focus is solely on men\u2019s dishonor. Where does this issue of shame and dishonor come from? \u00a0Is it a Biblical teaching or does it come from shame-based cultural \u201claws\u201d? \u00a0There is no doubt that the worldly system is based on honor and shame. \u00a0In worldly Islamic societies if a woman does something that is considered a shame to the man she may suffer punishment even to the extent of \u00a0losing her own life. \u00a0In ancient Jewish culture recorded in the Talmud, a man may suffer shame by his wife exposing the hair on her head in public or by exposing a bare ankle or her forearm. \u00a0A man was encouraged to deal with this shame by divorcing his wife. \u00a0It was his right to punish her for his dishonor<\/em><\/strong>. \u00a0This was the world\u2019s way of handling men\u2019s dishonor, but is it Biblical to accuse women of shaming and dishonoring men by using their God-given gifts?<\/p>\n

If we do a Biblical search for the issue of shame or dishonor coming upon godly Christian men merely because of \u00a0a woman using her spiritual gifts, we find no verse that teaches such a thing. \u00a0No woman is ever charged with dishonoring a man by giving her gifts for the benefit of the body of Christ. \u00a0So where does CBMW get such an idea that women teaching the truth of God\u2019s Word shames and dishonors men? \u00a0I suggest that issues of shame and dishonor follow quite naturally with the issue of pride. \u00a0Proverbs 11:2 speaks about pride that brings dishonor:<\/p>\n

Proverbs 11:2 \u00a0When pride comes, then comes dishonor<\/em><\/strong>, \u00a0But with the humble is wisdom.\u00a0(NASB)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

When one has a coveted \u201cposition\u201d or \u201coffice\u201d to defend, the pride that follows will set up boundaries to hold others outside. Then when women dare<\/em> to function in the gifting that these men believe they alone have received from God, their pride is hurt and shame and dishonor follows.<\/p>\n

Paul did not experience this shame. Instead of experiencing any kind of competition and thus dishonor, Paul gave his personal commendation on behalf of a woman to the Romans. This woman who received Paul\u2019s personal recommendation was a servant or minister or deacon of the church at Cenchrea. \u00a0Depending on the translation, Phoebe is called \u201ca deacon of the church\u201d, \u201cwho serves the church\u201d, \u00a0\u201cour sister, who is a minister of the assembly\u201d.<\/p>\n

Paul describes this woman as one who actively served the entire church at Cenchrea. Because she was one who served in this way, she was to be received favorably by the Romans and because she had been the benefactor, protector, helper of many people, including Paul himself.<\/p>\n

Romans 16:2 I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me. \u00a0(TNIV)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Paul was not dishonored that a woman had been his benefactor. Nor did Paul indicate that the church at Cenchrea was dishonored by having a woman minister to the entire church. She is not said to be a deacon of the women but a deacon, minister, or servant of the church<\/strong><\/em>. \u00a0\u2018She is not said to bring dishonor, but Paul\u2019s extended his commendation in honoring her. Phoebe used her gifts to benefit many people including men because she used her gifts to benefit Paul.<\/p>\n

Paul also was not dishonored by the ministry of Priscilla who was a \u201cfellow worker\u201d of Paul\u2019s (Romans 16:3). Priscilla\u00a0was one of the teachers who taught Apollos the way of God more accurately. Apollos did not experience shame or dishonor by being taught and corrected by a woman.<\/p>\n

Yet some are so dishonored by a woman\u2019s using her gifts for the benefit of the entire church that they have kept some of the best of men\u2019s teaching away from women. Just in case that a woman might dishonor them, they will not allow her to learn about anything that has been held in high regard for the use of men alone. They will not allow her into their seminaries or take pastoral courses even though the Scriptures never hold back learning from women and Paul himself commands that a woman should be allowed learn. A man\u2019s \u00a0protection of his \u201coffice\u201d from suffering \u201cdishonor\u201d causes him to disobey the Bible\u2019s clear injunction to allow a woman to learn.<\/p>\n

Rather than holding to a position of boasting in an \u201coffice\u201d, the Bible turns men away from such a boastful way and it commands all who desire to be the greatest in the kingdom to be the servants of all. The servant then must equip the saints for the work of service. \u00a0(Eph 4:12) \u00a0The true servant of God will equip all for service for the express purpose of building up the entire body. There can be no dishonor in equipping women to serve the body.<\/p>\n

Eph 4:11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service<\/strong><\/em>, to the building up of the body of Christ<\/em><\/strong>; 13 \u00a0until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. NASB<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

True servants of God should never suffer dishonor through their position of equipping the saints when these godly women saints take that equipping and use it to build up the body of Christ. \u00a0When a Christian man turns aside from both protecting the flock and preparing them for ministry, pride will cause them to feel a need for protection from<\/em><\/strong> the flock especially from the gifts of godly Christian women. Any Christian leader who is dishonored and fearful of equipped Christian women<\/em><\/strong> is short sighted and has taken his eyes off of Jesus as the giver of the gifts and the One who has empowered us with the Holy Spirit for body service. When men\u2019s shame and dishonor comes before the work of God it is time for men to repent and seek His forgiveness. \u00a0I believe that when godly men turn from their pride in an \u201coffice\u201d and turn back to the Lord Jesus in humility and start practicing the equipping of the entire body of Christ for service, God will be honored and the Church will go out triumphant in all her glory to win the lost for Christ.<\/p>\n<\/body>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Another common objection to women in ministry is the claim that when women speak and lead publicly it dishonors men. The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) speaks of this as dishonoring the \u201ccalling\u201d of men: We would say that the teaching inappropriate for a woman\u00a0is the teaching of men in settings or ways that dishonor the calling of men to bear the\u00a0primary responsibility for teaching and leadership. This primary responsibility is to be\u00a0carried by the pastors or elders….<\/p>\n

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