{"id":1744,"date":"2009-12-20T19:17:48","date_gmt":"2009-12-21T02:17:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/?p=1744"},"modified":"2015-10-19T20:25:08","modified_gmt":"2015-10-20T03:25:08","slug":"equal-in-value-and-worth-in-whose-eyes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/2009\/12\/20\/equal-in-value-and-worth-in-whose-eyes\/","title":{"rendered":"Equal in value and worth = in whose eyes?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

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\"Equal<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/p>\n

One of the problems with complementarian definitions is that they aren\u2019t complete enough on the surface to reveal the underlying nature of their hierarchical disposition. \u00a0However when one pushes to get the answers to some difficult questions, the picture becomes a lot clearer that actually shows the complementarian stand to be male bias in the pretty package of complementarian wording. \u00a0However when the veil is pulled back, a contradictory view is shown which reviews an inequality in God\u2019s design of humanity, but also a man-made restriction placed on God Himself in how He is allowed to express Himself through half of humanity. \u00a0Let me give a few of examples of the pretty package and then we will\u00a0dissect the statements. \u00a0The examples are all from the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW).<\/p>\n

\"Package<\/p>\n

Both Adam and Eve were created in God\u2019s image, equal before God as persons\u2026 (from\u00a0http:\/\/www.cbmw.org\/Resources\/Articles\/The-Danvers-Statement<\/a> )<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

God never viewed women as second-class citizens. His Word clearly states that we are all equally His children and are of equal value and worth before Him. \u00a0(from\u00a0http:\/\/www.cbmw.org\/Resources\/Articles\/What-Should-Be-the-Husband-s-Role-in-Marriage<\/a> )<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And lastly 1 A. under the Summary of the Complementarian Position:<\/p>\n

Male and female were created by God as equal in dignity, value, essence and human nature \u2026 (from\u00a0http:\/\/www.cbmw.org\/Resources\/Articles\/Summaries-of-the-Egalitarian-and-Complementarian-Positions<\/a> )<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

These statements do seem to be a pretty package, affirming women as equal, however I would like to point out something that many people miss when they read these statements. \u00a0The complementarian position says that the male and female are equal before God<\/em><\/strong> in value and worth but note that they do not say that women are equal<\/em><\/strong> before mankind<\/em><\/strong> in value or worth. \u00a0They are only equal before God<\/em><\/strong>. However even in their equality before God there is a serious issue.<\/p>\n

In what way are men and women equal in dignity and worth before God? \u00a0According to CBMW, it is only in salvation<\/em><\/strong> that men and women are equal before God.<\/p>\n

\u2026In sum, this verse explains the new status of believers as sons of God and the means by which every believer attains that status, through faith in Christ\u2026.Cottrell points out that the question is not\u00a0whether <\/em>any of these can be saved, but\u00a0how <\/em>they receive salvation\u2026\u00a0Simply put, the pattern for inheritance under the law was Jewish free males.In the New Covenant, however, something far better than an earthly estate is in view; \u201cthere is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus\u201d (Gal 3:28). \u00a0Paul\u2019s point in (Gal 3:28)\u00a0is that everyone who receives the inheritance of salvation receives it the same way and experiences the same justifying results-union with Christ. \u00a0(from\u00a0http:\/\/www.cbmw.org\/Journal\/Vol-8-No-1\/Galatians-3-28-Prooftext-or-Context<\/a> )<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

According to CBMW, it is our adoption as sons of God with the inheritance = our salvation. Our equality starts and ends with the CBMW understanding of Galatians 3:28. \u00a0However CBMW fails to give the full view of inheritance found in Galatians 4:1 where the inheritance of God\u2019s adopted \u201csons\u201d is defined as \u201cowner of everything\u201d.<\/p>\n

Galatians 4:1 \u00a0Now I say, as long as the heir<\/em><\/strong> is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything<\/em><\/strong>,<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

By equating \u00a0salvation as ending with sonship, and thus restricting sonship to our salvation, CBMW fails to recognize that the inheritance includes the rights to all that God has (owner of everything) with the restriction only in the age of the \u201cson\u201d, not the \u201cgender\u201d. Therefore the inheritance goes far past salvation and into the issue of ownership. \u00a0Does God\u2019s women \u201csons\u201d have a right to the ownership of God\u2019s spiritual gifts too? \u00a0Of course because the inheritance goes beyond salvation to the ownership of everything! \u00a0If CBMW wants to withhold ownership of God\u2019s estate from women, then they are saying that women have to stay as children while only men are allowed to be mature sons. \u00a0An interpretation of the separation of God\u2019s \u201csons\u201d by gender cannot be established from the text.<\/p>\n

The next restriction that CBMW establishes is for God\u2019s Holy Spirit as the gifts that God gives are now gender based through the classification of roles. In their understanding, roles are assigned as gifts to one gender alone. Spiritual equality then is limited to access to God and an equal standing before God, not an equal ability to receive God\u2019s gifts or to receive an understanding of God\u2019s word.<\/p>\n

Third, even if one grants that equality is in the text implicitly, in the sense that if we are all \u201cin Christ\u201d we are all equal, then it can be understood properly only as a \u201cspiritual equality\u201d that describes equal access to God and an equal standing before God, not an equality of (gifts). (Found at\u00a0http:\/\/www.cbmw.org\/Journal\/Vol-8-No-1\/Galatians-3-28-Prooftext-or-Context<\/a> )<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In this understanding of \u201cequality\u201d, God is restricted in the work that He can do through women. \u00a0His Holy Spirit cannot operate through women in the same way that He operates through men. \u00a0He cannot gift women equally nor can He give an understanding of God\u2019s Word to a woman without going through a man first. In the complementarian understanding, God has great limitations on what He can and cannot do through women.<\/p>\n

I find this limitation of God incredible! In communication with CBMW several years ago, I was told that God does not give break-through understanding of His Word to a woman. If a woman teaches or writes something that has not been first taught by a man, her insight into the Scriptures cannot be correct. Think about that! \u00a0God cannot<\/em><\/strong> connect with a woman like He connects with a man because God\u2019s understanding in His Word comes only through man.<\/p>\n

So while women can reach up<\/em><\/strong> to God in an equal way with men, CBMW\u2019s understanding is that God cannot reach down<\/em><\/strong> to his female \u201csons\u201d in an equal way as He does with men. \u00a0In essence God is limited in reaching others through men alone. \u00a0 Men then take the insight in God\u2019s word to women and women may act as an \u201cecho\u201d to repeat the insight from the men to others who also cannot have direct communication from God.<\/p>\n

God is no longer Sovereign except through the agency of men. Women then must receive their instruction through men because they have no permission to receive<\/em><\/strong> from God directly. \u00a0God simply cannot come directly to a woman and provide her with a unique and insightful understanding of the Scriptures that has not been first delivered to a man. \u00a0The complementarian view gives an extremely restricted view of God\u2019s ability to communicate with women.<\/p>\n

CBMW may say that women have equal value and worth in the eyes of God, however in reality their actions disprove this claim as they believe that God cannot<\/em><\/strong> communicate insights from his Word directly to a woman without going through a man. \u00a0Women then are not of equal value as men in God\u2019s eyes if we are to believe the complementarian view espoused by CBMW. The understanding hidden behind their words make their claim that women are equal in value and worth to God is a hollow claim.<\/p>\n

The next issue is whether women are equal in value and worth in the eyes of men and women (humanity). While claiming that God doesn\u2019t see women as second-class citizens, CBMW\u2019s restrictions on women definitely set women up as second-class citizens regarding their value on this earth in the eyes of both men and other women.<\/p>\n

In the complementarian view, women teachers must have less value and worth to other women than the value of men teachers, \u00a0since only men receive from God directly:<\/p>\n

\"Complementarian<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/p>\n

While women teachers have less worth then male teachers to other women, it is a whole different ball game when compared to men teachers in the eyes of men as students:<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/p>\n

\"Complementarian<\/p>\n

Since men believe that women are forbidden to teach them, the value of women teachers \u00a0does not just have \u201cless value\u201d to them as men teachers. \u00a0 In reality women teachers end up with \u201cno value\u201d to the men themselves when men believe the complementarian position that they have no personal need for women teachers at all.<\/p>\n

On the CBMW web site where they have answered questions on the Danver\u2019s Statement (the statement which defines complementarianism), Wayne Grudem makes some claims that I believe in time will produce a sense of shame instead of the arrogant claims that he makes:<\/p>\n

\n

I think it is an indication of God\u2019s favor that the statement has had no change of wording, nor have we felt the need to change the wording, for the entire twenty years it has been in existence. It has served as a \u201cstandard\u201d by which people could evaluate their faithfulness to the biblical teaching on this matter\u2026<\/p>\n

If CBMW had not published the Danvers Statement in 1988, there would be not one \u201ccomplementarian position\u201d in the evangelical world, but hundreds, resulting in much confusion<\/em><\/strong>, and enabling evangelical feminists to criticize the most offensive expressions rather than having to deal with a responsible, biblically balanced statement that affirms the equal value of both men and women and their differences in roles ac\u00adcording to Scripture. (Found at\u00a0http:\/\/www.cbmw.org\/Journal\/Vol-12-No-2\/JBMW-Forum-Q-and-A-on-Danvers-Statement<\/a> )<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Apparently the Word of God is not \u201cclear\u201d on the issue of the \u201croles\u201d of men alone since there is only confusion when the Bible is used alone and only with the help of CBMW and its \u201cDanvers Statement\u201d can the understanding of the role of men and women be clarified in an understandable way. \u00a0This height of arrogance rivals that of Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses who have stated in the past that reading the Bible alone will take men into darkness but reading their Watchtower literature will take men into the light of God\u2019s word!<\/p>\n

The world has long held that women are valued far less than men. Does complementarianism bring men and women to a place of equal value? Absolutely not! Women cannot be equal in value to God when He cannot equally communicate His truth to them. \u00a0Also women cannot be equal in value to men who are taught to see women teachers as unnecessary \u201cechoes\u201d totally unneeded for the edification of men. \u00a0Women then are a secondary class of Christians relegated to \u201chelping\u201d men teach other women who also cannot hear from God directly but must follow men into the kingdom.<\/p>\n<\/body>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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