{"id":145,"date":"2007-08-17T13:00:18","date_gmt":"2007-08-17T20:00:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/2007\/08\/17\/are-womens-gifts-secondary\/"},"modified":"2015-10-19T20:29:11","modified_gmt":"2015-10-20T03:29:11","slug":"are-womens-gifts-secondary","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/wim\/2007\/08\/17\/are-womens-gifts-secondary\/","title":{"rendered":"Are women&#039;s gifts secondary?"},"content":{"rendered":"<body>\n<p><\/p>Last post we referenced 1 Corinthians 12:7 teaching us that the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good of the body of Christ. But are women\u2019s gifts somehow secondary? According to leading complementarians women\u2019s gifts of teaching are not equal to men\u2019s teaching gifts at all.\n<p>John MacArthur tells us that the woman gets her knowledge from the man. <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/mmoutreach\/jm6_shine_indirect.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Listen to clip #1 here<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>So according to John MacArthur the man gets his spiritual gifts directly from God.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/08\/1_spiritual_gifts.jpg?w=640\" alt=\"Man\u2019s spiritual gifts come from God\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/p>\n<p>However the woman is different in that she gets her direction and her significance through the direction of the man. <a href=\"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/mmoutreach\/jm5_significance.mp3\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Listen to clip #2 here<\/strong>.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/08\/2_spiritual_gifts.jpg?w=640\" alt=\"The woman learns from the man\" loading=\"lazy\"> John MacArthur says that the woman is not the glory of God. Instead she is only the glory of the man and she then is under the man\u2019s direction. In this way she manifests the man\u2019s authority not God\u2019s authority. <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/mmoutreach\/jm7_manifest_mans_authority.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Listen to clip #3<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>This view makes it clear that men are needed in the church and they are the ones gifted by God to use their gifts for the common good of the body of Christ.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/08\/4_spiritual_gifts.jpg?w=640\" alt=\"Men\u2019s gifts in the church\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/p>\n<p>However this same view shows that women\u2019s gifts are not given for the church. They are not for the <strong>common good<\/strong>. They are to be used <strong>outside<\/strong> the church.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/08\/5_spiritual_gifts.jpg?w=640\" alt=\"Women\u2019s gifts for outside the church\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/mmoutreach\/jm2_outside_church.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Listen here to clip #4<\/a><\/strong> as Pastor John MacArthur limits women\u2019s prayers and women\u2019s gifts to outside the church building.<\/p>\n<p>So then are women allowed to use their spiritual gifts on the mission field? Well, no, they cannot use their gifts of teaching on the mission field either if there are unsaved men present according to leading complementarians. <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/mmoutreach\/jm3_no_mission2.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Listen to clip #5<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Last year CBMW was asked a question about women\u2019s teaching of the bible. Can a woman give her insight on scriptures to a man? According to the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood she can teach a man privately but her teaching is subject to man\u2019s original authorship. This means that if man has originated the teaching, then she can learn from the man and teach women and children and she can also teach a single man in private. However if her insight has not first originated from a man, then her insight is invalid. God apparently does not speak through a woman directly, but only through a man. John MacArthur concurs with this view and he shares that the greatest spiritual source for a woman will always be a man. <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/strivetoenter.com\/mmoutreach\/jm1_resource.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Listen to clip #6 here<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>So although one might think that complementarians give full freedom for women to minister to other women, it appears that even teaching other women, women teachers are second class citizens because a woman is only a secondary spiritual source for other women. A man is <strong>always<\/strong> the greatest spiritual source for a woman according to leading complementarians.<\/p>\n<p>So what does this really mean?<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mmoutreach.org\/wim\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/08\/7_women_not_needed.jpg?w=640\" alt=\"Women not needed\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/p>\n<p>It means that women really are not needed and their spiritual gifts are so secondary that they are not even the best spiritual mentors for women. This also explains why CBMW has completely ignored and has refused to refute the teaching in \u201cWomen in Ministry Silenced or Set Free?\u201d The teaching in the DVD set has been considered by many to be a fresh understanding of the hard passages of scripture in their proper context. But since I have taken this understanding from scripture alone and not from another man\u2019s writings, my exegesis is considered invalid by these men. My explanation of the phrase \u201cbecause of the angels\u201d in 1 Corinthians 11:10 as a reference back to 1 Corinthians 6:3 is considered by some as the most straightforward understanding of the passage, yet the fact that commentaries written by men take a more complex view of the phrase in their guessing what Paul could have meant and none before me have apparently seen such a simple explanation from the context already established by Paul, then my view is considered invalid. Huh?<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s think this through. If this is God\u2019s view of women\u2019s secondary gifts, then why did God place <strong>both<\/strong> men and women <strong>together<\/strong> in <strong>one<\/strong> place at Pentecost? Why were women not segregated away from the men when they were filled with the Holy Spirit? Why were both men and women speaking in tongues and both were inspired to speak forth the praises of God to all gathered around them? What do you think? I would love to hear your views and more of my thoughts in the next post.<\/p>\n<p>Documentation:<\/p>\n<p>Clip #1<\/p>\n<p>The woman is the vice regent who rules in the stead or who carries out man\u2019s wish, as man is the vice regent who carries out God\u2019s wish. That\u2019s why, you see, I Corinthians 14 says, \u201cIf a woman needs to know something, tell her to go\u2013\u201d Where? Ask whom? Her husband, because man is the sun, and woman is the moon. \u201cShe shines not so much with the direct light of God but that derived from man.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>From \u201cThe Role of the godly woman\u201d by John MacArthur, transcript and audio found here\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gty.org\/resources\/Sermons\/1845\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.gty.org\/resources\/Sermons\/1845<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Clip #2<\/p>\n<p>She demonstrates her significance in the world in response to the direction of men who are given divine dominion. That\u2019s a general truth. That\u2019s a truth that goes beyond the walls of Christianity and the church. It\u2019s just in general.<\/p>\n<p>From \u201cThe Role of the godly woman\u201d by John MacArthur, transcript and audio found here\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gty.org\/resources\/Sermons\/1845\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.gty.org\/resources\/Sermons\/1845<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Clip #3<\/p>\n<p>Man, then, according to verse 7, \u201cis the image and glory of God,\u201d but look at verse 7 again. Here comes the other part. \u201cBut the woman is\u2013\u201d not the glory of God but what? \u201cThe glory of man.\u201d Not even a definite article there. \u201cWoman is glory of man.\u201d In other words\u2013listen to this\u2013in other words, the woman was made to manifest man\u2019s authority and man\u2019s will as man was made to manifest God\u2019s authority.<\/p>\n<p>From \u201cThe Role of the godly woman\u201d by John MacArthur, transcript and audio found here\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gty.org\/resources\/Sermons\/1845\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.gty.org\/resources\/Sermons\/1845<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Clip #4<\/p>\n<p>If it says here a woman praying or prophesying, there\u2019s one place where she won\u2019t do it. Where\u2019s that? In the church. There are other places where she will do it. She will pray in many different places, with other people, with other women, with her family, with close friends.<\/p>\n<p>There are places where she will speak and proclaim the Gospel to unsaved friends and neighbors and to other women and whatever, but the one place where she will not preach, where she will not lead, is in the church.<\/p>\n<p>From \u201cThe subordination and equality of women\u201d by John MacArthur, transcript and audio found here\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gty.org\/resources\/sermons\/1844\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.gty.org\/resources\/sermons\/1844<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Clip #5<\/p>\n<p>And somebody else says, \u201cWell, what about missions? What about missions? We need missionaries, what would we do without women missionaries?\u201d God bless women missionaries, but I don\u2019t think women being on the mission field necessarily have the right to violate the Word of God.<\/p>\n<p>From \u201cGod\u2019s high calling for women part 4\u2033 by John MacArthur, transcript and audio found here\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gtycanada.org\/resources\/sermons\/54-17\/gods-high-calling-for-women-part-4\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.gtycanada.org\/resources\/sermons\/54-17\/gods-high-calling-for-women-part-4<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Clip #6<\/p>\n<p>Listen, men, that is a grave responsibility. A woman\u2019s deepest and greatest spiritual resource is a man. A man. 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