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		<title>Have men taken away women&#8217;s &#8220;good portion&#8221;?</title>
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&#8220;&#8230;Mary has chosen the good portion, which will not be taken away from her.”  Luke 10:41-42

In the complementarian Christian community there is a lot of pressure to keep women away from a place that doesn&#8217;t belong to them.  Because of the teaching that there is a &#8220;biblical manhood&#8221; and &#8220;biblical womanhood&#8221;, and the way we [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;Mary has chosen the good portion, which will not be taken away from her.”  Luke 10:41-42</p>
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<p>In the complementarian Christian community there is a lot of pressure to keep women away from a <em>place</em> that doesn&#8217;t belong to them.  Because of the teaching that there is a &#8220;biblical manhood&#8221; and &#8220;biblical womanhood&#8221;, and the way we follow Jesus depends on our gender, many have been focused on dividing and protecting the man&#8217;s <em>portion </em>as if something has been given to men alone.  Is this really biblical?  Is there really something that belongs to men alone that needs to be held back from women?</p>
<p>In Luke 10 the Lord Jesus encountered pressure to remove Mary from sitting at his feet as one of the disciples in order for her to take the<em> place</em> of a worker in the home.  His response to Martha is quite revealing about the Lord&#8217;s view of women.</p>
<blockquote><p>Luke 10:41–42 (NASB)</p>
<p>41 But the Lord answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and bothered about so many things;</p>
<p>42 but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”</p>
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<p>Regarding the <em>place</em> of a disciple, Jesus said that there is only one thing that is necessary. Please note that Jesus did not say that there are two things that are necessary - one for males and one for females. The <em>one thing</em> that is absolutely necessary is to sit as a disciple at His feet.  There was no division between what is necessary for males or females.</p>
<p>The next thing that we can see from Jesus&#8217; words is that Mary herself had <em>chosen </em>the good part.  The Greek word used here is <em>eklegomai</em> which means <em>chosen for oneself</em>.  Mary had the opportunity to<em> choose</em> for herself and what she chose as a disciple at Jesus&#8217; feet is the <em>good portion</em>. This is a share or part in the opportunity and responsibility to learn and then do the work of a disciple.  It was Mary&#8217;s own choice to be a disciple and to have her portion alongside the rest of the disciples.</p>
<p>Jesus then reveals something that is extremely important. He said that what she has received (her portion as a disciple) shall <em>not</em> be taken away from her. The Greek word for<em> take away</em> is <em>aphaireo</em> and it means to have something taken away by force. Jesus is saying that her portion as one of the disciples, which rightfully belongs to Mary and which is a good thing, shall not be removed from her by force.</p>
<p>Mary&#8217;s faith in Jesus caused her to understand the gospel and to do the work of preparing the body of Jesus for burial as an act of her faith.</p>
<blockquote><p>Mark 14:6–9 (NASB)</p>
<p>6 But Jesus said, “Let her alone; why do you bother her? She has done a good deed to Me.</p>
<p>7 “For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you wish you can do good to them; but you do not always have Me.</p>
<p>8 “She has done what she could; she has anointed My body beforehand for the burial.</p>
<p>9 “Truly I say to you, wherever the gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be spoken of in memory of her.”</p>
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<p>John tells us that this woman was Mary.</p>
<blockquote><p>John 12:3 (NASB) Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.</p>
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<p>Mary the one who sat at the feet of Jesus and who received her share right alone with the men, is shown to have been prepared by the teachings of Jesus to accept and believe in his death when the other disciples did not yet understand. Jesus said that her work of preparing his body for burial would be linked to the gospel and its message throughout the world. This portion will not be taken from her.</p>
<p>Another Mary also received her portion of the gospel on resurrection day.</p>
<blockquote><p>John 20:15–18 (NASB)</p>
<p>15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” Supposing Him to be the gardener, she said to Him, “Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you have laid Him, and I will take Him away.”</p>
<p>16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!” (which means, Teacher).</p>
<p>17 Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’ ”</p>
<p>18 Mary Magdalene came, announcing to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and that He had said these things to her.</p>
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<p>Mary Magdalene was the first one commissioned to give the gospel to the other disciples and the Lord specifically chose to appear to a woman first.</p>
<p>But there are those in the church who have made it their own business to<em> take away</em> what has been given to women. While women were given the place as disciples sitting and learning at the feet of Jesus, some in the body of Christ deny women the ability to learn the deep things of God.</p>
<p>John MacArthur&#8217;s <em><strong><a title="John MacArthur's The Master's Seminary" href="http://www.tms.edu/" target="_blank">The Master&#8217;s Seminary</a></strong></em><strong><a title="John MacArthur's The Master's Seminary" href="http://www.tms.edu/" target="_blank"> </a></strong>denies women the opportunity to learn. The deep things of God are taken away from women and<strong> <a title="John MacArthur's Seminary will not accept applications from women" href="http://www.tms.edu/AdmissionsOverview.aspx" target="_blank">no opportunity</a> </strong>is given them to choose to follow the Lord Jesus in this deep learning as women are denied entrance into <strong><a title="John MacArthur's Master's Seminary Distinctives" href="http://www.tms.edu/AdmissionsTMSDistinctives.aspx" target="_blank">John MacArthur&#8217;s seminary</a></strong>.</p>
<p>Also complementarians such as Ray Ortlund deny that God gives a calling to women that entrusts them with the gospel. &#8220;<em><strong><a title="Ray Ortlund Fulfill your ministry" href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/03/02/fulfill-your-ministry/" target="_blank">There is a grandeur to every man’s ministry</a></strong>&#8220;</em>, Ortlund says and the gospel ministry that men have been given shows that they &#8220;<em>have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel</em>.&#8221; No limitations on men at all as Ortlund says <em>&#8220;I don’t minister for his approval; I minister with his approval.  I can </em><em>go for it</em><em>.” </em>But for women, there is no such approval in Ortlund&#8217;s eyes.</p>
<p>Is it true that only men have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel? Or have men usurped by force what has also been given to women? The first disciples refused to believe a woman who obeyed the Lord and who declared the gospel to them and today men are tempted to take away a woman&#8217;s portion by closing the door in her face. There are many things that she is not allowed to learn and many places that she is not allowed to go. But is this the way of the Master?</p>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8220;&amp;#8230;Mary has chosen the good portion, which will not be taken away from her.”  Luke 10:41-42&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;In the complementarian Christian community there is a lot of pressure to keep women away from a &lt;em&gt;place&lt;/em&gt; that doesn&amp;#8217;t belong to them.  Because of the teaching that there is a &amp;#8220;biblical manhood&amp;#8221; and &amp;#8220;biblical womanhood&amp;#8221;, and the way we follow Jesus depends on our gender, many have been focused on dividing and protecting the man&amp;#8217;s &lt;em&gt;portion &lt;/em&gt;as if something has been given to men alone.  Is this really biblical?  Is there really something that belongs to men alone that needs to be held back from women?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In Luke 10 the Lord Jesus encountered pressure to remove Mary from sitting at his feet as one of the disciples in order for her to take the&lt;em&gt; place&lt;/em&gt; of a worker in the home.  His response to Martha is quite revealing about the Lord&amp;#8217;s view of women.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Luke 10:41–42 (NASB)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;41 But the Lord answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and bothered about so many things;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;42 but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Regarding the &lt;em&gt;place&lt;/em&gt; of a disciple, Jesus said that there is only one thing that is necessary. Please note that Jesus did not say that there are two things that are necessary - one for males and one for females. The &lt;em&gt;one thing&lt;/em&gt; that is absolutely necessary is to sit as a disciple at His feet.  There was no division between what is necessary for males or females.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The next thing that we can see from Jesus&amp;#8217; words is that Mary herself had &lt;em&gt;chosen &lt;/em&gt;the good part.  The Greek word used here is &lt;em&gt;eklegomai&lt;/em&gt; which means &lt;em&gt;chosen for oneself&lt;/em&gt;.  Mary had the opportunity to&lt;em&gt; choose&lt;/em&gt; for herself and what she chose as a disciple at Jesus&amp;#8217; feet is the &lt;em&gt;good portion&lt;/em&gt;. This is a share or part in the opportunity and responsibility to learn and then do the work of a disciple.  It was Mary&amp;#8217;s own choice to be a disciple and to have her portion alongside the rest of the disciples.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jesus then reveals something that is extremely important. He said that what she has received (her portion as a disciple) shall &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; be taken away from her. The Greek word for&lt;em&gt; take away&lt;/em&gt; is &lt;em&gt;aphaireo&lt;/em&gt; and it means to have something taken away by force. Jesus is saying that her portion as one of the disciples, which rightfully belongs to Mary and which is a good thing, shall not be removed from her by force.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mary&amp;#8217;s faith in Jesus caused her to understand the gospel and to do the work of preparing the body of Jesus for burial as an act of her faith.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mark 14:6–9 (NASB)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6 But Jesus said, “Let her alone; why do you bother her? She has done a good deed to Me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;7 “For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you wish you can do good to them; but you do not always have Me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;8 “She has done what she could; she has anointed My body beforehand for the burial.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;9 “Truly I say to you, wherever the gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be spoken of in memory of her.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John tells us that this woman was Mary.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;John 12:3 (NASB) Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mary the one who sat at the feet of Jesus and who received her share right alone with the men, is shown to have been prepared by the teachings of Jesus to accept and believe in his death when the other disciples did not yet understand. Jesus said that her work of preparing his body for burial would be linked to the gospel and its message throughout the world. This portion will not be taken from her.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another Mary also received her portion of the gospel on resurrection day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;John 20:15–18 (NASB)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” Supposing Him to be the gardener, she said to Him, “Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you have laid Him, and I will take Him away.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!” (which means, Teacher).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;17 Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’ ”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;18 Mary Magdalene came, announcing to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and that He had said these things to her.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mary Magdalene was the first one commissioned to give the gospel to the other disciples and the Lord specifically chose to appear to a woman first.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But there are those in the church who have made it their own business to&lt;em&gt; take away&lt;/em&gt; what has been given to women. While women were given the place as disciples sitting and learning at the feet of Jesus, some in the body of Christ deny women the ability to learn the deep things of God.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John MacArthur&amp;#8217;s &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;John MacArthur's The Master's Seminary&quot; href=&quot;http://www.tms.edu/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The Master&amp;#8217;s Seminary&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;John MacArthur's The Master's Seminary&quot; href=&quot;http://www.tms.edu/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;denies women the opportunity to learn. The deep things of God are taken away from women and&lt;strong&gt; &lt;a title=&quot;John MacArthur's Seminary will not accept applications from women&quot; href=&quot;http://www.tms.edu/AdmissionsOverview.aspx&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;no opportunity&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;is given them to choose to follow the Lord Jesus in this deep learning as women are denied entrance into &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;John MacArthur's Master's Seminary Distinctives&quot; href=&quot;http://www.tms.edu/AdmissionsTMSDistinctives.aspx&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;John MacArthur&amp;#8217;s seminary&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also complementarians such as Ray Ortlund deny that God gives a calling to women that entrusts them with the gospel. &amp;#8220;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;Ray Ortlund Fulfill your ministry&quot; href=&quot;http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/03/02/fulfill-your-ministry/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;There is a grandeur to every man’s ministry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;#8220;&lt;/em&gt;, Ortlund says and the gospel ministry that men have been given shows that they &amp;#8220;&lt;em&gt;have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;#8221; No limitations on men at all as Ortlund says &lt;em&gt;&amp;#8220;I don’t minister for his approval; I minister with his approval.  I can &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;go for it&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;.” &lt;/em&gt;But for women, there is no such approval in Ortlund&amp;#8217;s eyes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is it true that only men have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel? Or have men usurped by force what has also been given to women? The first disciples refused to believe a woman who obeyed the Lord and who declared the gospel to them and today men are tempted to take away a woman&amp;#8217;s portion by closing the door in her face. There are many things that she is not allowed to learn and many places that she is not allowed to go. But is this the way of the Master?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Puzzling questions from Genesis: Why was Eve &#8220;punished&#8221; when she was deceived?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Schatz</dc:creator>
		
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In our discussions on Genesis there has come one puzzling question.  If Adam alone sinned willfully and the woman fell into sin through deception, then why did God punish Eve so severely for her sin?
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<p>In our discussions on Genesis there has come one puzzling question.  If Adam alone sinned willfully and the woman fell into sin through deception, then why did God punish Eve so severely for her sin?</p>
<p>I would like to propose that we have misunderstood what happened when God dealt with Adam, the woman and the serpent.  There are only two acts by God that deal with guilt and curses and not three as tradition has taught us.  Let&#8217;s look carefully at the passage.  First of all let&#8217;s look at how God dealt with the serpent:</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 3:14 (NASB)  The LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,  Cursed are you more than all cattle,  And more than every beast of the field;  On your belly you will go,  And dust you will eat  All the days of your life;</p>
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<p>God speaks of <em><strong>blame</strong></em> by saying &#8220;<strong><em>Because you have done this</em></strong>&#8230;&#8221; and the result of the blame to the serpent is a <strong><em>curse</em></strong>.  It isn&#8217;t a guess that God cursed the serpent because the inspired text says &#8220;<em>cursed are you</em>&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Adam is also blamed by God in a very similar way:</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 3:17 (NASB)  Then to Adam He said, “<strong><em>Because you have</em></strong> listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;  <strong><em>Cursed</em></strong> is the ground <strong><em>because of you</em></strong>; In toil you will eat of it  All the days of your life.</p>
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<p>Notice again that God says &#8220;Because you have&#8230;&#8221;  This is <em>God&#8217;s blame</em> and with the blame brings a curse.  &#8221;<em>Cursed</em> is the ground because of you&#8221;.  The &#8220;you&#8221; here is singular masculine and the ground was cursed because of only one man&#8217;s sin.</p>
<p>Did God also express blame towards the woman and did He curse anything on her behalf?  Let&#8217;s have a look.  The first mention of consequences for the future of the woman is in verse 15 and here God is speaking directly to the serpent:</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 3:15 (NASB)  And<em> I will</em> put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.”</p>
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<div>Here God says &#8220;I will&#8230;&#8221;  This is an act of <strong><em>God&#8217;s</em></strong> <strong><em>will</em></strong>.  God says that He will initiate a struggle between the serpent and the woman and between the serpent&#8217;s seed and the woman&#8217;s seed.  This isn&#8217;t a curse.  God determines the same enmity, hostility or antagonism between  the serpent&#8217;s seed and the Messiah (the seed of the woman).  This hostility results in a spiritual war and produces one victor.  Jesus as the promised seed of the woman ultimately triumphed in this hostility and he made public shame of the enemy.</div>
<blockquote><p>Colossians 2:15 (NASB)  When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.</p>
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<p>So God&#8217;s first words about the future of the woman is God&#8217;s revealed will that places her on the <em>right side</em> of a spiritual conflict.  There is no curse here in this verse at all.  But what about the next direct words of God to the woman?  Does the woman then suffer a special &#8220;punishment&#8221; from God? Let&#8217;s look at verse 16.</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 3:16 (NKJV) To the woman He said:  “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.”</p>
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<p>We should be able to see something different in this verse.  Look carefully and you will see <em><strong>no direct blame</strong></em> like the way that God spoke to both the serpent and the man.  God never said to the woman &#8220;<em>Because</em> you have done this&#8230;&#8221;  God also does not say that anything is <em>cursed</em> on her behalf. What God does say to the woman is <em>different</em> than how He talks to either the serpent or the man.  Instead of the cycle of blame and curse, God reveals what will be His own actions and then He reveals two future actions of the woman and a prophetic word about what her life will be like living in union with the first rebellious sinner.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s first examine God&#8217;s actions. God said &#8220;<em>I will</em> greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception&#8221;.  God said that He would <em>greatly multiply</em> two things.  The first thing to be greatly multiplied is her &#8220;sorrow&#8221;.  The Hebrew word that is translated &#8220;sorrow&#8221; means toil or hardship and it is the <em><strong>exact same</strong></em><strong> </strong>word that God used for the &#8220;toil&#8221; that Adam will experience with the cursed earth.  God will <em>greatly multiply</em> the woman&#8217;s work for a reason. The next part of what God greatly multiplied explains why the woman&#8217;s work is greatly multiplied. God says that He will<em> greatly multiply</em> her <em>conception</em>. The Hebrew word is &#8220;heron&#8221; which means conception or pregnancy.</p>
<p>God will greatly increase her conception and with this greatly increased conception she will have greatly increased work.  God never calls this greatly increased conception a curse but there is a physical result from the changing of her body. Wwith the change to her body, she will also experience a painful delivery. Also with her greatly increased conception, the woman will experience a greatly increased work load - much more than God had originally planned for her.</p>
<p>So if a greatly increased conception isn&#8217;t called a curse by God then what is the purpose for God to increase her conception? Let&#8217;s think this one through. When the woman had a body that was meant to live forever there was no need for her to be pregnant right away or have multiple pregnancies one right after another. After all she was designed to live forever so there lots of years to fill the earth. Have you ever wondered why the woman did not get pregnant in the garden? Some think erroneously that Adam and his wife did not consummate their marriage and because of this belief they look on the sexual union as something that is sinful because they believe the physical union only happened after the fall. However God&#8217;s words to the woman about the &#8220;greatly increased&#8221; conception gives us a much better understanding why she did not conceive in the garden. Her rate of conception before the fall was much different than after the fall when God greatly increased it.  Just as God said, when the woman ate the fruit she started a process of dying and so the process of conception was changed by God so that the earth could be filled with people even though Adam and Eve would eventually die.</p>
<p>Rather than bringing what some have thought was a curse on the woman, God looked on humanity with compassion by greatly increasing the woman&#8217;s conception. The human race would not die out with what was the original conception design. Originally the woman was given freedom to fulfill her God-given function of ruling the world as her body was waiting for God&#8217;s time for conception. But a dying body changed everything. God stepped in and made a change to her body so that she would start to conceive right away. Now instead of having children spaced a great distance apart she would now have to bear a greatly increased work load on the home front. As the original design of the woman&#8217;s conception changed, Eve found herself with caring for child after child after child with no servants or nanny to help with the workload. It was a necessary consequence to God&#8217;s provision for maintaining the human race.</p>
<p>One other thing happened when God changed the woman&#8217;s body. As a result of the change in her conception, her body would give birth in pain. The dramatic shift in her conception would result in a change that would now bring pain, but it also brought a positive prophetic word. God&#8217;s inspired words to the woman should be carefully followed to see the positive. God said &#8220;yet&#8221;. It is a little word, but highly important. After God said He would change her conception, and after this change was prophesied to bring pain, &#8220;yet&#8221; God says, you will still desire your husband.  The word &#8220;desire&#8221; can also mean a turning toward, so that the woman would turn towards her husband even though she would experience pain as a result of their union.</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 3:16 (NASB) To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your <strong>pain</strong> in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; <strong>Yet</strong> your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.”</p>
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<p>Unfortunately the NASB doesn&#8217;t reveal that the two words rendered as &#8220;pain&#8221; in verse 16 are different words. The first word is the exact same word for &#8220;toil&#8221; as in verse 17. Yet the NASB does keep the Hebrew word for &#8220;yet&#8221; and attaches it appropriately to the woman&#8217;s desire for the man. The Hebrew term is a coordinating conjunction and it connects together the woman&#8217;s pain with her desire for her husband. God in His infinite wisdom in speaking with the woman tells her that even though she will experience an increased work because He will increase her conception in order to bring about more babies in a shorter period of time, even though she will experience pain in bearing these children, she will still desire her husband <em>in spite of the pain </em>that having his children will cause her.</p>
<p>The next link in the passage is the <em>action of the man</em> that will happen in spite of her desire for him. In spite of her desire and attention for him, he will rule over her. The exact same word that is translated as &#8220;yet&#8221; in the NASB is in the text just before &#8220;he will rule&#8221;.  &#8221;Yet&#8221; he will do this.  The NCV renders this as &#8220;but&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 3:16 (NCV)&#8221;..<strong>.</strong><em><strong>but</strong></em> he will rule over you.”</p>
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<p>So the woman will be having increased conception with multiple pregnancies and by that a much increased work load. The change that God makes to her body will result in her experiencing pain in childbirth <strong><em>yet</em></strong> she will still desire her husband even though there is pain attached to their union, but his reaction to her is to rule over or dominate her.</p>
<p>So God&#8217;s will in this passage is a compassionate act to preserve humanity because of the death process that has entered the world. Through all of this stress and strain that will come from the increased pregnancies and the increased workload, the woman will still come to the man and desire to be with him.  None of this is God&#8217;s curse on the woman or the man and none of this is a punishment to the woman.</p>
<p>The last thing to consider is whether the man&#8217;s rule over the woman is a curse on her.  God specifically gives His prophecy regarding the future actions of the man and it is worded in the actions of <strong><em>the man&#8217;s will only</em></strong>.  <em>He will</em> <em>rule</em> over you.  Absent is God&#8217;s <strong><em>permission</em></strong> for one ruler to make himself an independent ruler and subject to himself his co-ruler.</p>
<p>The word for rule means to have dominion over.  So while God gave the man and the woman dominion over the animals, the actions of the man&#8217;s sin nature cause him to usurp her rulership and place it in his hands alone.  She is no longer an equal ruler in his eyes. She is one to be dominated and controlled like any of the animals under his rule.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s think this one through.  If it was God&#8217;s will for the man to move out of his place as equal ruler into sole rulership with power to subdue the woman and put her under his rule, then why didn&#8217;t God tell this to the man?  God gave the man no permission for an additional rule nor did He tell the woman that He had made Adam her ruler. God simply said what will be, not what <strong><em>must</em></strong> be.</p>
<p>There is one last thing that we need to pay attention to in the Genesis account.  It is the fact that only the earth and the animals were cursed.  The man and the woman were not cursed.  They were still in the image of God and they had been marred by the process of death, but they were not cursed.</p>
<p>Did God curse the earth on the man&#8217;s behalf but leave no curse on him while placing a curse on his deceived wife? No, this is not like our just and righteous God. Genesis 3:16 has been a source of much confusion because we have not paid close enough attention to the exact words that God inspired.  Check it out for yourself.  You will see that the first word translated in many Bibles as &#8220;pain&#8221; for the woman is the exact same word that is translated as &#8220;toil&#8221; for the man in verse 17. You will also find that although many English versions use the word &#8220;pain&#8221; twice in the passage, the qoesa are not the exact same Hebrew words. Not only are the Hebrew words different, but the context of hard work, or toil, is the context just as is used for Adam&#8217;s work. Her toil was greatly increased because her conception was greatly increased. We have accepted for too long that a deceived woman was the only human to be cursed when God never said it. Rather than placing a curse on the woman, God gave a promise that the Messiah would come through her seed. Was God planning to bring the Messiah through a cursed woman?</p>
<p>God Himself has released women to fulfill their destiny in Christ by gifting them and calling them into service. Their place is beside their brothers in Christ fighting the enemy together, speaking forth the gospel and using their spiritual gifts for the benefit of the body of Christ.  I would like to end this article with a challenge to our complementarian brothers. Will you fight your sisters in Christ wanting a place of dominion for yourself or will you walk with us as joint heirs in Christ?</p>
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&lt;p&gt;In our discussions on Genesis there has come one puzzling question.  If Adam alone sinned willfully and the woman fell into sin through deception, then why did God punish Eve so severely for her sin?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would like to propose that we have misunderstood what happened when God dealt with Adam, the woman and the serpent.  There are only two acts by God that deal with guilt and curses and not three as tradition has taught us.  Let&amp;#8217;s look carefully at the passage.  First of all let&amp;#8217;s look at how God dealt with the serpent:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 3:14 (NASB)  The LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,  Cursed are you more than all cattle,  And more than every beast of the field;  On your belly you will go,  And dust you will eat  All the days of your life;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;God speaks of &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;blame&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; by saying &amp;#8220;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Because you have done this&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;#8230;&amp;#8221; and the result of the blame to the serpent is a &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;curse&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.  It isn&amp;#8217;t a guess that God cursed the serpent because the inspired text says &amp;#8220;&lt;em&gt;cursed are you&lt;/em&gt;&amp;#8230;&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Adam is also blamed by God in a very similar way:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 3:17 (NASB)  Then to Adam He said, “&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Because you have&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;  &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cursed&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; is the ground &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;because of you&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;; In toil you will eat of it  All the days of your life.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Notice again that God says &amp;#8220;Because you have&amp;#8230;&amp;#8221;  This is &lt;em&gt;God&amp;#8217;s blame&lt;/em&gt; and with the blame brings a curse.  &amp;#8221;&lt;em&gt;Cursed&lt;/em&gt; is the ground because of you&amp;#8221;.  The &amp;#8220;you&amp;#8221; here is singular masculine and the ground was cursed because of only one man&amp;#8217;s sin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did God also express blame towards the woman and did He curse anything on her behalf?  Let&amp;#8217;s have a look.  The first mention of consequences for the future of the woman is in verse 15 and here God is speaking directly to the serpent:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 3:15 (NASB)  And&lt;em&gt; I will&lt;/em&gt; put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.”&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Here God says &amp;#8220;I will&amp;#8230;&amp;#8221;  This is an act of &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;God&amp;#8217;s&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.  God says that He will initiate a struggle between the serpent and the woman and between the serpent&amp;#8217;s seed and the woman&amp;#8217;s seed.  This isn&amp;#8217;t a curse.  God determines the same enmity, hostility or antagonism between  the serpent&amp;#8217;s seed and the Messiah (the seed of the woman).  This hostility results in a spiritual war and produces one victor.  Jesus as the promised seed of the woman ultimately triumphed in this hostility and he made public shame of the enemy.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Colossians 2:15 (NASB)  When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;So God&amp;#8217;s first words about the future of the woman is God&amp;#8217;s revealed will that places her on the &lt;em&gt;right side&lt;/em&gt; of a spiritual conflict.  There is no curse here in this verse at all.  But what about the next direct words of God to the woman?  Does the woman then suffer a special &amp;#8220;punishment&amp;#8221; from God? Let&amp;#8217;s look at verse 16.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 3:16 (NKJV) To the woman He said:  “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.”&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;We should be able to see something different in this verse.  Look carefully and you will see &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;no direct blame&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; like the way that God spoke to both the serpent and the man.  God never said to the woman &amp;#8220;&lt;em&gt;Because&lt;/em&gt; you have done this&amp;#8230;&amp;#8221;  God also does not say that anything is &lt;em&gt;cursed&lt;/em&gt; on her behalf. What God does say to the woman is &lt;em&gt;different&lt;/em&gt; than how He talks to either the serpent or the man.  Instead of the cycle of blame and curse, God reveals what will be His own actions and then He reveals two future actions of the woman and a prophetic word about what her life will be like living in union with the first rebellious sinner.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#8217;s first examine God&amp;#8217;s actions. God said &amp;#8220;&lt;em&gt;I will&lt;/em&gt; greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception&amp;#8221;.  God said that He would &lt;em&gt;greatly multiply&lt;/em&gt; two things.  The first thing to be greatly multiplied is her &amp;#8220;sorrow&amp;#8221;.  The Hebrew word that is translated &amp;#8220;sorrow&amp;#8221; means toil or hardship and it is the &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;exact same&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;word that God used for the &amp;#8220;toil&amp;#8221; that Adam will experience with the cursed earth.  God will &lt;em&gt;greatly multiply&lt;/em&gt; the woman&amp;#8217;s work for a reason. The next part of what God greatly multiplied explains why the woman&amp;#8217;s work is greatly multiplied. God says that He will&lt;em&gt; greatly multiply&lt;/em&gt; her &lt;em&gt;conception&lt;/em&gt;. The Hebrew word is &amp;#8220;heron&amp;#8221; which means conception or pregnancy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God will greatly increase her conception and with this greatly increased conception she will have greatly increased work.  God never calls this greatly increased conception a curse but there is a physical result from the changing of her body. Wwith the change to her body, she will also experience a painful delivery. Also with her greatly increased conception, the woman will experience a greatly increased work load - much more than God had originally planned for her.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if a greatly increased conception isn&amp;#8217;t called a curse by God then what is the purpose for God to increase her conception? Let&amp;#8217;s think this one through. When the woman had a body that was meant to live forever there was no need for her to be pregnant right away or have multiple pregnancies one right after another. After all she was designed to live forever so there lots of years to fill the earth. Have you ever wondered why the woman did not get pregnant in the garden? Some think erroneously that Adam and his wife did not consummate their marriage and because of this belief they look on the sexual union as something that is sinful because they believe the physical union only happened after the fall. However God&amp;#8217;s words to the woman about the &amp;#8220;greatly increased&amp;#8221; conception gives us a much better understanding why she did not conceive in the garden. Her rate of conception before the fall was much different than after the fall when God greatly increased it.  Just as God said, when the woman ate the fruit she started a process of dying and so the process of conception was changed by God so that the earth could be filled with people even though Adam and Eve would eventually die.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rather than bringing what some have thought was a curse on the woman, God looked on humanity with compassion by greatly increasing the woman&amp;#8217;s conception. The human race would not die out with what was the original conception design. Originally the woman was given freedom to fulfill her God-given function of ruling the world as her body was waiting for God&amp;#8217;s time for conception. But a dying body changed everything. God stepped in and made a change to her body so that she would start to conceive right away. Now instead of having children spaced a great distance apart she would now have to bear a greatly increased work load on the home front. As the original design of the woman&amp;#8217;s conception changed, Eve found herself with caring for child after child after child with no servants or nanny to help with the workload. It was a necessary consequence to God&amp;#8217;s provision for maintaining the human race.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One other thing happened when God changed the woman&amp;#8217;s body. As a result of the change in her conception, her body would give birth in pain. The dramatic shift in her conception would result in a change that would now bring pain, but it also brought a positive prophetic word. God&amp;#8217;s inspired words to the woman should be carefully followed to see the positive. God said &amp;#8220;yet&amp;#8221;. It is a little word, but highly important. After God said He would change her conception, and after this change was prophesied to bring pain, &amp;#8220;yet&amp;#8221; God says, you will still desire your husband.  The word &amp;#8220;desire&amp;#8221; can also mean a turning toward, so that the woman would turn towards her husband even though she would experience pain as a result of their union.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 3:16 (NASB) To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your &lt;strong&gt;pain&lt;/strong&gt; in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; &lt;strong&gt;Yet&lt;/strong&gt; your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.”&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately the NASB doesn&amp;#8217;t reveal that the two words rendered as &amp;#8220;pain&amp;#8221; in verse 16 are different words. The first word is the exact same word for &amp;#8220;toil&amp;#8221; as in verse 17. Yet the NASB does keep the Hebrew word for &amp;#8220;yet&amp;#8221; and attaches it appropriately to the woman&amp;#8217;s desire for the man. The Hebrew term is a coordinating conjunction and it connects together the woman&amp;#8217;s pain with her desire for her husband. God in His infinite wisdom in speaking with the woman tells her that even though she will experience an increased work because He will increase her conception in order to bring about more babies in a shorter period of time, even though she will experience pain in bearing these children, she will still desire her husband &lt;em&gt;in spite of the pain &lt;/em&gt;that having his children will cause her.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The next link in the passage is the &lt;em&gt;action of the man&lt;/em&gt; that will happen in spite of her desire for him. In spite of her desire and attention for him, he will rule over her. The exact same word that is translated as &amp;#8220;yet&amp;#8221; in the NASB is in the text just before &amp;#8220;he will rule&amp;#8221;.  &amp;#8221;Yet&amp;#8221; he will do this.  The NCV renders this as &amp;#8220;but&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 3:16 (NCV)&amp;#8221;..&lt;strong&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;but&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; he will rule over you.”&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;So the woman will be having increased conception with multiple pregnancies and by that a much increased work load. The change that God makes to her body will result in her experiencing pain in childbirth &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;yet&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; she will still desire her husband even though there is pain attached to their union, but his reaction to her is to rule over or dominate her.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So God&amp;#8217;s will in this passage is a compassionate act to preserve humanity because of the death process that has entered the world. Through all of this stress and strain that will come from the increased pregnancies and the increased workload, the woman will still come to the man and desire to be with him.  None of this is God&amp;#8217;s curse on the woman or the man and none of this is a punishment to the woman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The last thing to consider is whether the man&amp;#8217;s rule over the woman is a curse on her.  God specifically gives His prophecy regarding the future actions of the man and it is worded in the actions of &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;the man&amp;#8217;s will only&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.  &lt;em&gt;He will&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;rule&lt;/em&gt; over you.  Absent is God&amp;#8217;s &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;permission&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; for one ruler to make himself an independent ruler and subject to himself his co-ruler.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The word for rule means to have dominion over.  So while God gave the man and the woman dominion over the animals, the actions of the man&amp;#8217;s sin nature cause him to usurp her rulership and place it in his hands alone.  She is no longer an equal ruler in his eyes. She is one to be dominated and controlled like any of the animals under his rule.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#8217;s think this one through.  If it was God&amp;#8217;s will for the man to move out of his place as equal ruler into sole rulership with power to subdue the woman and put her under his rule, then why didn&amp;#8217;t God tell this to the man?  God gave the man no permission for an additional rule nor did He tell the woman that He had made Adam her ruler. God simply said what will be, not what &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;must&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is one last thing that we need to pay attention to in the Genesis account.  It is the fact that only the earth and the animals were cursed.  The man and the woman were not cursed.  They were still in the image of God and they had been marred by the process of death, but they were not cursed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did God curse the earth on the man&amp;#8217;s behalf but leave no curse on him while placing a curse on his deceived wife? No, this is not like our just and righteous God. Genesis 3:16 has been a source of much confusion because we have not paid close enough attention to the exact words that God inspired.  Check it out for yourself.  You will see that the first word translated in many Bibles as &amp;#8220;pain&amp;#8221; for the woman is the exact same word that is translated as &amp;#8220;toil&amp;#8221; for the man in verse 17. You will also find that although many English versions use the word &amp;#8220;pain&amp;#8221; twice in the passage, the qoesa are not the exact same Hebrew words. Not only are the Hebrew words different, but the context of hard work, or toil, is the context just as is used for Adam&amp;#8217;s work. Her toil was greatly increased because her conception was greatly increased. We have accepted for too long that a deceived woman was the only human to be cursed when God never said it. Rather than placing a curse on the woman, God gave a promise that the Messiah would come through her seed. Was God planning to bring the Messiah through a cursed woman?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God Himself has released women to fulfill their destiny in Christ by gifting them and calling them into service. Their place is beside their brothers in Christ fighting the enemy together, speaking forth the gospel and using their spiritual gifts for the benefit of the body of Christ.  I would like to end this article with a challenge to our complementarian brothers. Will you fight your sisters in Christ wanting a place of dominion for yourself or will you walk with us as joint heirs in Christ?&lt;/p&gt;
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Another reason some complementarians claim for denying women opportunities to minister in the church is that it is said that women are more easily deceived than men so men alone are permitted to minister in the church.  A good example of this kind of rationale is found here with this excerpt:
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<p>Another reason some complementarians claim for denying women opportunities to minister in the church is that it is said that women are more easily deceived than men so men alone are permitted to minister in the church.  A good example of this kind of rationale is found <a title="Peter Ditzel and Word of His grace" href="http://www.wordofhisgrace.org/women.html" target="_blank">here</a> with this excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>But why should Eve’s being beguiled in the Garden of Eden cause Paul to say that women should be silent in church? The answer must be that women in general have a tendency to be more easily duped than men. Because of this tendency, they are not to be teachers, or preachers, or hold an office (which implies authority) in church. &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;we must remember that Paul clearly states that women are to remain silent in church because of the creation order and because Eve was deceived.</p>
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<p>Is Paul really saying that women are more easily deceived than men?  Let&#8217;s examine the text:</p>
<blockquote><p>1 Timothy 2:14 (NASB) And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.</p>
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<p>Paul clearly says that &#8220;Adam was not deceived&#8221; but in 2 Corinthians 11:3 Paul specifically lists Eve by name as the one who was deceived:</p>
<blockquote><p>2 Corinthians 11:3, 4 (NASB)</p>
<p>4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.</p>
<p>3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.</p>
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<p>So is Paul really saying that Eve was <strong><em>created</em></strong> with a &#8220;tendency&#8221; to be easily deceived? No, that would be reading into the text something that is not there. Rather than describing a<em> flaw</em> in God&#8217;s design of the woman that provided for a deceived Eve, the emphasis is on the cunning, craftiness and trickery of the one who deceived her. She was not created as one who was easily deceived.  She was deceived through the cunning, manipulative trickery that was a masterful job in deceiving the very first woman.</p>
<p>Instead of Paul warning that all women have a tendency to be easily deceived, Paul warns the<em> entire church</em> in 2 Corinthians 11 that<em> all of them</em> could encounter the same deception and be led astray by a counterfeit Jesus, a counterfeit spirit and a counterfeit gospel.  It would have been so easy for Paul to focus in on just the women, but he does not do that for it is not a fact that women are created with a flaw that makes them easily deceivable. Rather then focusing on any one gender, Paul said that it is &#8220;<strong><em>your</em></strong> minds&#8221; that may be led astray.  Paul is speaking to <strong><em>all</em></strong> of the Corinthians. So much for men not being able to be deceived!</p>
<p>It appears that the complementarians who believe that women are more prone to deception have not thought this one through. If women are more easily deceived and fall prey to the enemy&#8217;s deception easier than men, then why would the church allow women who are easily deceived to teach little children who by their childish nature are easily manipulated and deceived? Also why would the church allow women to teach other women who would supposedly also be ripe for deception? Wouldn&#8217;t the <em>best ones</em> for women to teach be men who would easily recognize deception and thus be able to correct them? Yet men are the <em><strong>only ones</strong></em> who are forbidden to have women teach them if we believe the complementarian understanding. It just doesn&#8217;t make sense. If the Bible really does teach that women by nature are more easily deceived, then the church has not gone far enough. Women should be stopped from teaching anyone if this line of reasoning is true, don&#8217;t you think? But complementarians don&#8217;t carry this reasoning through all the way to its natural and logical conclusion. There is a flaw in their reasoning.</p>
<p>But Paul isn&#8217;t reasoning that one gender has a flaw or that easily deceived women can teach only other easily deceived people. Paul is dealing with deception due to lack of sound doctrine. Paul first of all commands that &#8220;a woman&#8221; is to <strong><em>learn</em></strong> (1 Timothy 2:11). Why the command to learn? Because learning sound doctrine is the first thing that combats deception. The second thing that combats deception is self-control. Salvation from deception must also come with self-control.</p>
<blockquote><p>1 Timothy 2:15 (ESV)&#8230;continue in faith and love and holiness, with <strong><em>self-control</em></strong>.</p>
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<p>Paul isn&#8217;t setting up a universal prohibition to stop one gender from using their God-given gifts in their maturity for the common good. Paul isn&#8217;t attaching <strong><em>all women</em></strong> to Eve&#8217;s deception. Instead, in 2 Corinthians 11, Paul is warning all the Corinthians about deception and false doctrine. He isn&#8217;t warning the Corinthians about women teachers.</p>
<p>So why is it so easy for some to see all women as prone to deception? To be frank, I would suggest that it is easy for some to believe bad things about women because our world is so prone to prejudice especially toward women. So when Paul said that Eve was deceived, many people will read into this scripture that &#8220;all women&#8221; are easily deceived. But if all women are so easily deceived, then how come most cult leaders are men?</p>
<p>As we continue discussing common objections to women in ministry, we will be answering many more false interpretations on the hard passages of scripture on women in ministry.  In the meantime I would request that complementarians who are reading these posts to think these things through. There are many questions offered in this post. Are you able to answer these questions or are these questions too difficult to answer with your current view of women in ministry?</p>
<p>One last set of questions - are<strong><em> <span style="font-weight: normal;">people</span></em></strong> deceived as a result of their God-given design or are they deceived because of their lack of knowledge and/or their failure to love and embrace the truth with self-control to stay away from error? If people are deceived because of their design, then who ultimately is to blame for their deception?</p>
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&lt;p&gt;Another reason some complementarians claim for denying women opportunities to minister in the church is that it is said that women are more easily deceived than men so men alone are permitted to minister in the church.  A good example of this kind of rationale is found &lt;a title=&quot;Peter Ditzel and Word of His grace&quot; href=&quot;http://www.wordofhisgrace.org/women.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; with this excerpt:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But why should Eve’s being beguiled in the Garden of Eden cause Paul to say that women should be silent in church? The answer must be that women in general have a tendency to be more easily duped than men. Because of this tendency, they are not to be teachers, or preachers, or hold an office (which implies authority) in church. &amp;#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8230;we must remember that Paul clearly states that women are to remain silent in church because of the creation order and because Eve was deceived.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Is Paul really saying that women are more easily deceived than men?  Let&amp;#8217;s examine the text:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 Timothy 2:14 (NASB) And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Paul clearly says that &amp;#8220;Adam was not deceived&amp;#8221; but in 2 Corinthians 11:3 Paul specifically lists Eve by name as the one who was deceived:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;2 Corinthians 11:3, 4 (NASB)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;So is Paul really saying that Eve was &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;created&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; with a &amp;#8220;tendency&amp;#8221; to be easily deceived? No, that would be reading into the text something that is not there. Rather than describing a&lt;em&gt; flaw&lt;/em&gt; in God&amp;#8217;s design of the woman that provided for a deceived Eve, the emphasis is on the cunning, craftiness and trickery of the one who deceived her. She was not created as one who was easily deceived.  She was deceived through the cunning, manipulative trickery that was a masterful job in deceiving the very first woman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Instead of Paul warning that all women have a tendency to be easily deceived, Paul warns the&lt;em&gt; entire church&lt;/em&gt; in 2 Corinthians 11 that&lt;em&gt; all of them&lt;/em&gt; could encounter the same deception and be led astray by a counterfeit Jesus, a counterfeit spirit and a counterfeit gospel.  It would have been so easy for Paul to focus in on just the women, but he does not do that for it is not a fact that women are created with a flaw that makes them easily deceivable. Rather then focusing on any one gender, Paul said that it is &amp;#8220;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;your&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; minds&amp;#8221; that may be led astray.  Paul is speaking to &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; of the Corinthians. So much for men not being able to be deceived!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It appears that the complementarians who believe that women are more prone to deception have not thought this one through. If women are more easily deceived and fall prey to the enemy&amp;#8217;s deception easier than men, then why would the church allow women who are easily deceived to teach little children who by their childish nature are easily manipulated and deceived? Also why would the church allow women to teach other women who would supposedly also be ripe for deception? Wouldn&amp;#8217;t the &lt;em&gt;best ones&lt;/em&gt; for women to teach be men who would easily recognize deception and thus be able to correct them? Yet men are the &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;only ones&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; who are forbidden to have women teach them if we believe the complementarian understanding. It just doesn&amp;#8217;t make sense. If the Bible really does teach that women by nature are more easily deceived, then the church has not gone far enough. Women should be stopped from teaching anyone if this line of reasoning is true, don&amp;#8217;t you think? But complementarians don&amp;#8217;t carry this reasoning through all the way to its natural and logical conclusion. There is a flaw in their reasoning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But Paul isn&amp;#8217;t reasoning that one gender has a flaw or that easily deceived women can teach only other easily deceived people. Paul is dealing with deception due to lack of sound doctrine. Paul first of all commands that &amp;#8220;a woman&amp;#8221; is to &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;learn&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; (1 Timothy 2:11). Why the command to learn? Because learning sound doctrine is the first thing that combats deception. The second thing that combats deception is self-control. Salvation from deception must also come with self-control.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 Timothy 2:15 (ESV)&amp;#8230;continue in faith and love and holiness, with &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;self-control&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paul isn&amp;#8217;t setting up a universal prohibition to stop one gender from using their God-given gifts in their maturity for the common good. Paul isn&amp;#8217;t attaching &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;all women&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; to Eve&amp;#8217;s deception. Instead, in 2 Corinthians 11, Paul is warning all the Corinthians about deception and false doctrine. He isn&amp;#8217;t warning the Corinthians about women teachers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So why is it so easy for some to see all women as prone to deception? To be frank, I would suggest that it is easy for some to believe bad things about women because our world is so prone to prejudice especially toward women. So when Paul said that Eve was deceived, many people will read into this scripture that &amp;#8220;all women&amp;#8221; are easily deceived. But if all women are so easily deceived, then how come most cult leaders are men?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As we continue discussing common objections to women in ministry, we will be answering many more false interpretations on the hard passages of scripture on women in ministry.  In the meantime I would request that complementarians who are reading these posts to think these things through. There are many questions offered in this post. Are you able to answer these questions or are these questions too difficult to answer with your current view of women in ministry?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One last set of questions - are&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;people&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; deceived as a result of their God-given design or are they deceived because of their lack of knowledge and/or their failure to love and embrace the truth with self-control to stay away from error? If people are deceived because of their design, then who ultimately is to blame for their deception?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Common Objections to Women in Ministry: Adam names Eve and this implies his authority over her</title>
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One of the positions that complementarians commonly hold is that male and female were created with distinct roles so that one (the male) is said to have been given the authority over the other (the female) and the fact that Adam names Eve is used as proof of the man&#8217;s authority.  CMBW (The Council on [...]]]></description>
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<p>One of the positions that complementarians commonly hold is that male and female were created with distinct roles so that one (the male) is said to have been given the authority over the other (the female) and the fact that Adam names Eve is used as proof of the man&#8217;s authority.  CMBW (The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) <strong><a title="Bruce Ware's article Summaries of the Egalitarian and Complementarian positions" href="http://www.cbmw.org/Resources/Articles/Summaries-of-the-Egalitarian-and-Complementarian-Positions" target="_blank">records it this way</a>:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Male and female were created by God as equal in dignity, value, essence and human nature, but also distinct in role whereby the male was given the responsibility of loving <strong>authority</strong> <strong>over</strong> the female, and the female was to offer willing, glad-hearted and submissive assistance to the man. Gen. 1:26-27 makes clear that male and female are equally created as God&#8217;s image, and so are, by God&#8217;s created design, equally and fully human. But, as Gen. 2 bears out (as seen in its own context and as understood by Paul in 1 Cor. 11 and 1 Tim. 2), their humanity would find expression differently, in a relationship of complementarity, with the female functioning in a submissive role under the leadership and <strong>authority</strong> of the male.</p>
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<p>CBMW&#8217;s statement of their position says that Genesis 2 as viewed in its own context will show Adam&#8217;s authority over Eve as God&#8217;s original design and this is borne out in the act of Adam naming Eve.  Let&#8217;s have a close look at the context of Genesis 1-3 to see where Adam could have been given authority over Eve.</p>
<p>In my post on February 17th on <strong></strong><strong><a title="God's design in Genesis: Common Objections to Women in Ministry" href="http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2010/02/17/gods-design-in-genesis/" target="_blank">Common Objections to Women in Ministry: God&#8217;s Design in Genesis</a> <span style="font-weight: normal;">we saw that Adam and Eve were given equal authority over all of God&#8217;s creation in the land, air and the sea.  If God had wanted to add to Adam&#8217;s authority the responsibility to a rule over the woman, Genesis 1 would have been a perfect place to list that authority, but God never gives Adam an authority over his wife in the original design.  The authority of rulership for Adam is clearly over animals and the earth, not people.  So if God did not give authority for Adam to rule Eve in the original creation, when is God supposed to have given him that authority?  Let&#8217;s look to Genesis chapter 2 for any evidence  of an added authority given to Adam.</span></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 2:22 (NASB)  The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.</p>
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<p>Adam&#8217;s exclamation of  joy in verse 23 when he first set eyes on the woman is a declaration that she is <strong><em>from him</em></strong> as flesh of his flesh, but where are there any words from God determining a &#8220;role&#8221; of authority for the man that would set him up as her ruler?  We do see Adam calling her &#8220;woman&#8221; but is this taking authority over her?  It can&#8217;t be.  For one thing, Adam was not the origin of the term woman.  God called her woman before Adam did.  Adam merely accepted her and affirmed her origin as being from him.  God did not give Adam authority over her and we cannot assign an authority without God first giving that authority.  To assume such an authority without God&#8217;s permission is a very dangerous thing to do.</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 2:23 (NASB)  The man said, “This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.”</p>
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<p>Notice again that God never said that He gave the man an authority to rule the woman nor did God direct the man to &#8220;name&#8221; her as a way to take his authority over her.  The fact that God had already called her woman in verse 22 also reveals that God did not give any directive for Adam to exercise his own authority over her. She simply was identified as a woman already by God and she was accepted as such by Adam himself.</p>
<p>But what about after sin entered the world?  Did God give the man the authority to rule the woman then?  What did God say to the man after Adam admitted that he ate the fruit?</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 3:17 (NASB)  Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.</p>
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<p>Notice that God<strong><em> doesn&#8217;t</em></strong> say that &#8220;Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, I am giving you authority over her&#8221;.  Adam did not take authority over the serpent in the garden when the serpent was deceiving his wife and God certainly did not give an additional authority to Adam in his sinful state.  But Adam does name his wife &#8220;Eve&#8221; in verse 20. Is this proof that Adam had an authority given him by God that is never <strong><em>directly</em></strong> listed in the Scripture?</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 3:20 (NASB)  Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.</p>
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<div>Although CBMW would like us to believe that this was evidence of Adam&#8217;s authority over Eve, this is only their assumption since the Bible is silent on any authority given to Adam by God that would<strong><em> allow him</em></strong> to be her ruler.  God <strong><em>never</em></strong> gave Adam an authority over Eve.  While it is possible that naming Eve was part of Adam&#8217;s sinful rule over her, the act of &#8220;naming&#8221; is shown in Scripture as a means to identify character, identify rights of inheritance and for prophetic reasons. Isaiah&#8217;s son  for example was named for a prophetic event.</div>
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<div>Isaiah 8:3–4 (NASB)</div>
<div>3 So I approached the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. Then the LORD said to me, “Name him Maher-shalal-hash-baz;</div>
<div>4 for before the boy knows how to cry out ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria will be carried away before the king of Assyria.”</div>
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<div>People were also given new names to signify the new life or character given them.</div>
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<div>Genesis 17:5 (NASB95)  “No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; <strong><em>For</em></strong> I will make you the father of a multitude of nations.</div>
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<div>Abraham&#8217;s name was changed not to show God&#8217;s authority over him but to show that Abram now possessed a prophetic promise from God.  God said your name shall be&#8230;.FOR (or because).  Names had significance and that is why they were given.</div>
<div>Now I would like to ask complementarians to prove their belief that Genesis 1-3 affirms that God gave Adam an authority over his wife to rule her. Please prove this assertion from the Scripture.</div>
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<div>CBMW continues:</div>
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<blockquote><p>4) Adam&#8217;s naming of Eve indicates, in an OT cultural context, Adam&#8217;s right of authority over the one whom he named. And interestingly, Adam named his wife twice, first when she was formed from his flesh (2:23), and second after they had both sinned (3:20), indicating that his rightful authority over her continued after sin had come.</p>
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<p>No, this is not true.  Naming someone does not prove the &#8220;rightful&#8221; authority over them.  Let complementarians prove Adam&#8217;s &#8220;rightful&#8221; authority over Eve in the words of God in Genesis.  Where did God give Adam this right?  Where is this authority determined by God as a design that He placed within man at his creation?</p>
<p>The fact is that this revision of the historical account is once again necessary to bolster the complementarians claim that only men are allowed to use their spiritual gifts in the church for the common good.  Once they can claim a non-existent authority in the beginning, they can claim anything they want because of that &#8220;authority&#8221;.</p>
<p>Are we going to accept<strong><em> another</em></strong> historical revision or are we going to challenge complementarians to prove their claim that Adam received authority to rule the woman?  Where is this authority given to Adam anywhere in the text?  If this claim cannot be pointed out in the text, then it is time to challenge complementarians to get back to the beginning and rethink their doctrine.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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&lt;p&gt;One of the positions that complementarians commonly hold is that male and female were created with distinct roles so that one (the male) is said to have been given the authority over the other (the female) and the fact that Adam names Eve is used as proof of the man&amp;#8217;s authority.  CMBW (The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;Bruce Ware's article Summaries of the Egalitarian and Complementarian positions&quot; href=&quot;http://www.cbmw.org/Resources/Articles/Summaries-of-the-Egalitarian-and-Complementarian-Positions&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;records it this way&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Male and female were created by God as equal in dignity, value, essence and human nature, but also distinct in role whereby the male was given the responsibility of loving &lt;strong&gt;authority&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;over&lt;/strong&gt; the female, and the female was to offer willing, glad-hearted and submissive assistance to the man. Gen. 1:26-27 makes clear that male and female are equally created as God&amp;#8217;s image, and so are, by God&amp;#8217;s created design, equally and fully human. But, as Gen. 2 bears out (as seen in its own context and as understood by Paul in 1 Cor. 11 and 1 Tim. 2), their humanity would find expression differently, in a relationship of complementarity, with the female functioning in a submissive role under the leadership and &lt;strong&gt;authority&lt;/strong&gt; of the male.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;CBMW&amp;#8217;s statement of their position says that Genesis 2 as viewed in its own context will show Adam&amp;#8217;s authority over Eve as God&amp;#8217;s original design and this is borne out in the act of Adam naming Eve.  Let&amp;#8217;s have a close look at the context of Genesis 1-3 to see where Adam could have been given authority over Eve.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In my post on February 17th on &lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;God's design in Genesis: Common Objections to Women in Ministry&quot; href=&quot;http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2010/02/17/gods-design-in-genesis/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Common Objections to Women in Ministry: God&amp;#8217;s Design in Genesis&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;we saw that Adam and Eve were given equal authority over all of God&amp;#8217;s creation in the land, air and the sea.  If God had wanted to add to Adam&amp;#8217;s authority the responsibility to a rule over the woman, Genesis 1 would have been a perfect place to list that authority, but God never gives Adam an authority over his wife in the original design.  The authority of rulership for Adam is clearly over animals and the earth, not people.  So if God did not give authority for Adam to rule Eve in the original creation, when is God supposed to have given him that authority?  Let&amp;#8217;s look to Genesis chapter 2 for any evidence  of an added authority given to Adam.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 2:22 (NASB)  The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Adam&amp;#8217;s exclamation of  joy in verse 23 when he first set eyes on the woman is a declaration that she is &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;from him&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; as flesh of his flesh, but where are there any words from God determining a &amp;#8220;role&amp;#8221; of authority for the man that would set him up as her ruler?  We do see Adam calling her &amp;#8220;woman&amp;#8221; but is this taking authority over her?  It can&amp;#8217;t be.  For one thing, Adam was not the origin of the term woman.  God called her woman before Adam did.  Adam merely accepted her and affirmed her origin as being from him.  God did not give Adam authority over her and we cannot assign an authority without God first giving that authority.  To assume such an authority without God&amp;#8217;s permission is a very dangerous thing to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 2:23 (NASB)  The man said, “This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.”&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Notice again that God never said that He gave the man an authority to rule the woman nor did God direct the man to &amp;#8220;name&amp;#8221; her as a way to take his authority over her.  The fact that God had already called her woman in verse 22 also reveals that God did not give any directive for Adam to exercise his own authority over her. She simply was identified as a woman already by God and she was accepted as such by Adam himself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But what about after sin entered the world?  Did God give the man the authority to rule the woman then?  What did God say to the man after Adam admitted that he ate the fruit?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 3:17 (NASB)  Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Notice that God&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; doesn&amp;#8217;t&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; say that &amp;#8220;Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, I am giving you authority over her&amp;#8221;.  Adam did not take authority over the serpent in the garden when the serpent was deceiving his wife and God certainly did not give an additional authority to Adam in his sinful state.  But Adam does name his wife &amp;#8220;Eve&amp;#8221; in verse 20. Is this proof that Adam had an authority given him by God that is never &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;directly&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; listed in the Scripture?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 3:20 (NASB)  Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Although CBMW would like us to believe that this was evidence of Adam&amp;#8217;s authority over Eve, this is only their assumption since the Bible is silent on any authority given to Adam by God that would&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; allow him&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; to be her ruler.  God &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; gave Adam an authority over Eve.  While it is possible that naming Eve was part of Adam&amp;#8217;s sinful rule over her, the act of &amp;#8220;naming&amp;#8221; is shown in Scripture as a means to identify character, identify rights of inheritance and for prophetic reasons. Isaiah&amp;#8217;s son  for example was named for a prophetic event.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Isaiah 8:3–4 (NASB)&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;3 So I approached the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. Then the LORD said to me, “Name him Maher-shalal-hash-baz;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;4 for before the boy knows how to cry out ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria will be carried away before the king of Assyria.”&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;People were also given new names to signify the new life or character given them.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Genesis 17:5 (NASB95)  “No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;For&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; I will make you the father of a multitude of nations.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Abraham&amp;#8217;s name was changed not to show God&amp;#8217;s authority over him but to show that Abram now possessed a prophetic promise from God.  God said your name shall be&amp;#8230;.FOR (or because).  Names had significance and that is why they were given.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Now I would like to ask complementarians to prove their belief that Genesis 1-3 affirms that God gave Adam an authority over his wife to rule her. Please prove this assertion from the Scripture.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;CBMW continues:&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;4) Adam&amp;#8217;s naming of Eve indicates, in an OT cultural context, Adam&amp;#8217;s right of authority over the one whom he named. And interestingly, Adam named his wife twice, first when she was formed from his flesh (2:23), and second after they had both sinned (3:20), indicating that his rightful authority over her continued after sin had come.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;No, this is not true.  Naming someone does not prove the &amp;#8220;rightful&amp;#8221; authority over them.  Let complementarians prove Adam&amp;#8217;s &amp;#8220;rightful&amp;#8221; authority over Eve in the words of God in Genesis.  Where did God give Adam this right?  Where is this authority determined by God as a design that He placed within man at his creation?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact is that this revision of the historical account is once again necessary to bolster the complementarians claim that only men are allowed to use their spiritual gifts in the church for the common good.  Once they can claim a non-existent authority in the beginning, they can claim anything they want because of that &amp;#8220;authority&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are we going to accept&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; another&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; historical revision or are we going to challenge complementarians to prove their claim that Adam received authority to rule the woman?  Where is this authority given to Adam anywhere in the text?  If this claim cannot be pointed out in the text, then it is time to challenge complementarians to get back to the beginning and rethink their doctrine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thoughts?&lt;/p&gt;
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According to those who have been followed a trail left by our old friend Neopatriarch (who many of you may recall was the young complementarian who used to post challenges on this blog until he left in exasperation when his arguments didn&#8217;t make the grade),  he has apparently been presently himself recently on several discussion [...]]]></description>
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<p>According to those who have been followed a trail left by our old friend <strong><a title="Neopatriarch tries to refute Cheryl Schatz" href="http://neopatriarch.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/a-refutation-of-cheryl-schatz-on-1-timothy-212/" target="_blank">Neopatriarch</a></strong> (who many of you may recall was the young complementarian who used to post challenges on this blog until he left in exasperation when his arguments didn&#8217;t make the grade),  he has apparently been presently himself recently on several discussion boards as <em>the one</em> who has refuted my exegesis of 1 Timothy 2:11-15. How interesting that he has been refuted time and time again and is still claiming victory.  Also how interesting that he has picked me as the one who has the exegesis that has to be refuted.  Well, I am quite flattered by all of his attention, and even though he is undoubtedly a very intelligent young man, his attempts to refute my sound argument have only called attention to my argument.  I guess I should say thanks.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s have a look at Neopatriarch&#8217;s latest edition of his &#8220;refutation&#8221; of my exegesis.  Neopatriarch&#8217;s latest revision says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Since <span style="text-decoration: underline;">the presumptive evidence</span> favors our initial conclusion that any man and any woman are meant in verse 12 and verses 13-14 function as reasons in Paul’s argument, the most natural reading takes Adam and Eve as representatives of any man and any woman.</p>
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<p>Neopatriarch has made it &#8220;presumptive <span style="text-decoration: underline;">evidence</span>&#8221; now, but in his previous edition he called it  plain old &#8220;presumption&#8221;.  Here is his wording from his fall 2009 edition:</p>
<blockquote><p>Since <span style="text-decoration: underline;">presumption favors our initial conclusion</span> that any man and any woman are meant in verse 12 and verses 13-14 function as reasons in Paul’s argument, the most natural reading takes Adam and Eve as representatives of any man and any woman.</p>
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<p>So what used to be &#8220;presumption&#8221; has now taken on a new life and has been transformed into the &#8220;presumptive evidence&#8221; category yet he has nothing new to add.  Sadly for Neopatriarch, he has no new evidence and his presumptions are still the same old presumptions.  Also sadly for Neopatriarch, he has so far refused to address my answer to his &#8220;refutation&#8221; and so his imaginery presumptions have come no closer to refuting my exegesis then he attained during his first and second try during 2009.  To see my refutation of Neopatriarch&#8217;s position and his second attempt to refute me <strong><a title="Neopatriarch fails to refute Cheryl Schatz" href="http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2009/09/30/neopatriarch-once-again-fails-to-refute-cheryl-schatz/" target="_blank">see my post here</a></strong>.</p>
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&lt;p&gt;According to those who have been followed a trail left by our old friend &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;Neopatriarch tries to refute Cheryl Schatz&quot; href=&quot;http://neopatriarch.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/a-refutation-of-cheryl-schatz-on-1-timothy-212/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Neopatriarch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; (who many of you may recall was the young complementarian who used to post challenges on this blog until he left in exasperation when his arguments didn&amp;#8217;t make the grade),  he has apparently been presently himself recently on several discussion boards as &lt;em&gt;the one&lt;/em&gt; who has refuted my exegesis of 1 Timothy 2:11-15. How interesting that he has been refuted time and time again and is still claiming victory.  Also how interesting that he has picked me as the one who has the exegesis that has to be refuted.  Well, I am quite flattered by all of his attention, and even though he is undoubtedly a very intelligent young man, his attempts to refute my sound argument have only called attention to my argument.  I guess I should say thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#8217;s have a look at Neopatriarch&amp;#8217;s latest edition of his &amp;#8220;refutation&amp;#8221; of my exegesis.  Neopatriarch&amp;#8217;s latest revision says:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Since &lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: underline;&quot;&gt;the presumptive evidence&lt;/span&gt; favors our initial conclusion that any man and any woman are meant in verse 12 and verses 13-14 function as reasons in Paul’s argument, the most natural reading takes Adam and Eve as representatives of any man and any woman.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Neopatriarch has made it &amp;#8220;presumptive &lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: underline;&quot;&gt;evidence&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#8221; now, but in his previous edition he called it  plain old &amp;#8220;presumption&amp;#8221;.  Here is his wording from his fall 2009 edition:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Since &lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: underline;&quot;&gt;presumption favors our initial conclusion&lt;/span&gt; that any man and any woman are meant in verse 12 and verses 13-14 function as reasons in Paul’s argument, the most natural reading takes Adam and Eve as representatives of any man and any woman.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;So what used to be &amp;#8220;presumption&amp;#8221; has now taken on a new life and has been transformed into the &amp;#8220;presumptive evidence&amp;#8221; category yet he has nothing new to add.  Sadly for Neopatriarch, he has no new evidence and his presumptions are still the same old presumptions.  Also sadly for Neopatriarch, he has so far refused to address my answer to his &amp;#8220;refutation&amp;#8221; and so his imaginery presumptions have come no closer to refuting my exegesis then he attained during his first and second try during 2009.  To see my refutation of Neopatriarch&amp;#8217;s position and his second attempt to refute me &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;Neopatriarch fails to refute Cheryl Schatz&quot; href=&quot;http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2009/09/30/neopatriarch-once-again-fails-to-refute-cheryl-schatz/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;see my post here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Common objections to women in ministry: God&#8217;s design in Genesis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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How is it that there are millions of Christians who all look to the same Genesis account yet find themselves with different and contradictory truth claims from the same account?  While many conclude that man was designed in a special way that sets him above the woman with special God-given privileges, there are still many [...]]]></description>
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<p>How is it that there are millions of Christians who all look to the same Genesis account yet find themselves with different and contradictory truth claims from the same account?  While many conclude that man was designed in a special way that sets him above the woman with special God-given privileges, there are still many others who conclude that God created both man and woman as equal rulers over creation. We all need to be careful that we don&#8217;t just see what we want to see because there is a tendency for each one of us to read our own position into the account. But as Christians we should desire to value truth above all else  for it is God&#8217;s design that we want to discover, not mankind&#8217;s aberration of God&#8217;s design.</p>
<p>As we search diligently in the creation account in Genesis, we look for how God conveyed His design differences to the attention of the first man and woman. Did the man<em> know</em> that he had been designed differently? Did he <em>know</em> that his design gave him special privileges that were withheld from his wife because she did not have the same design? And was it conveyed to Eve that she was not on the same level as Adam?  According to <strong><a title="Ray Orlund's blog article on husband and wife" href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/13/husband-and-wife/" target="_blank">Ray Ortlund</a></strong>, God gave the man a special mission and a special &#8220;call&#8221; to accomplish and the woman had a special mission to please him.</p>
<blockquote><p>God made Adam first and put him in the Garden with a job to do, a mission to fulfill.  In the heart of every fallen man is the self-doubt that wonders, “Am I man enough to climb this mountain God has called me to?  Can I fulfill my destiny?”  A wise wife will understand that question at the center of her husband’s heart.  And she will spend her life answering it, communicating to him in various ways, “Honey, I believe in your call.  I know you can do this, by God’s power.  Go for it.”  In this way, she will breathe life into her man.</p>
<p>God made Eve from Adam, for Adam, to help him follow the call.  In the heart of every fallen woman is the self-doubt that wonders, “Do I please you?  Am I what you wanted?”  A wise husband will understand that question at the center of his wife’s heart.  And he will spend his life answering it, communicating to her in various ways, “Darling, you are the one I need.  I cherish you.  Let me hold you close.”  In this way, he will breathe life into his wife.</p>
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<p>So according to Orlund there is one call - for the man alone, but did you notice that he gave no scripture to support his view?  Let&#8217;s now view what God Himself has revealed.</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”</p>
</blockquote>
<p>God said that<em> both of them</em> were made in His image. He said that <em>both</em> were designed according to His likeness. Then God reveals that the design is for <em>them</em> to rule.  Would this not be the perfect place for God to say that He made the male to rule and the female to support the man&#8217;s rule? Why is it that this alternate design pattern of one that is called and the other who is to please the one who is called, is never mentioned? Why is it that the first mention of God&#8217;s design is equality in creation in God&#8217;s likeness and an equal design of rulership? Did God make a mistake and forget to show the design difference to the first pair? If we believe the Bible to be God&#8217;s inspired inerrant word, we can be assured that God did not make a mistake. There has been no difference in God&#8217;s design for their likeness or in their design that mandates their rule.</p>
<p>The next thing that we notice is that <em>both</em> were designed to rule the fish and the birds and the cattle and the earth as well as everything that creeps on the earth. Now isn&#8217;t this odd? If there was a design difference, shouldn&#8217;t we see something like a design that keeps a woman to the water world kingdom while the man gets rule over all three kingdoms - the air and the land and the sea? How come with so many levels of rule that they both get it all? How come there isn&#8217;t even a breath of difference between their rule? Those who say that man has a different mission to fill have a lot of explaining to do regarding why God&#8217;s design is not different for the woman.  There is no divided kingdom.</p>
<p>The next thing that we notice is the coveted blessing that was held out to the first born is given to <strong><em>both of them</em></strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 1:28 God blessed <strong><em>them</em></strong>;&#8230;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>God didn&#8217;t hold out the special first born blessing to just the man. Instead He gave the same special blessing to both:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;and God said to <strong><em>them</em></strong>, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The blessing involved their fruitfulness on the earth, their freedom to rule and the full extent of their rule. Both of them were given the whole earth to fill and subdue it and rule over every living creature and rule over the land. Where is the difference in design here? There is no difference at all. There is only equality.</p>
<p>Notice another thing that is highly important.  In the issuing of the rule, God doesn&#8217;t call out the man to speak to him first as if his calling was special or different than the woman&#8217;s calling. God spoke to<strong><em> them both</em></strong>.  Then God gives them the food that they have permission to eat and God does not divide the two of them into a gatherer and a cook.</p>
<blockquote><p>Genesis 1: 29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The word &#8220;you&#8221; is plural in this verse. God speaks to both Adam and Eve and gives them both the mandate to be fruit and plant inspectors as they both need to know which plants have seeds. Again there is no design difference between Adam and Eve regarding their mission or their work.  Note also that God doesn&#8217;t give Adam the mandate to teach Eve about which foods they can eat. God gives her His word Himself. Both are treated as responsible and equally designed rulers.</p>
<p>Now that we observed what God said, let&#8217;s look to see what Adam said that would define any special design that he may have known that he had.</p>
<p>When Eve was talking to the serpent, did Adam claim that talking to the animals was his part of the rule?  No, Adam did not claim that there was a special animal rule that belonged to him alone because of the way that he was designed.</p>
<p>Did Eve understand that Adam had a special rule that she was to support him in that did not belong to her? No, there is not a single word from Eve to show she believed that Adam had a special rule. Well, what about the &#8220;helper&#8221; words of God? When God said that it was not good for man to be alone and He would create a helper comparable to him, does the term &#8220;helper&#8221; mean a lesser rule? Absolutely not. God is called our helper but He does not have a lesser rule than we do. Eve did not miss out on an equal rule with Adam because she was his helper. In fact the only way that she could be Adam&#8217;s helper is for her to be competent in the work. She is never said to need to wait for Adam&#8217;s instructions. She had her instructions from God Himself. She was a co-laborer with Adam.</p>
<p>Many will bring up an objection by saying that Adam&#8217;s first creation showed his special position.  The timing of his creation was necessary for Adam since God&#8217;s design was that the woman was to be made from his body. How could she be created from his body if she was made at the same time? The fact that God gave them<em> both</em> the first born blessing should remove any doubt that her creation from his body was meant to signal a secondary rule for the woman and a special first place rule for the man.</p>
<p>With no facts about a unique design of man that makes him the sole ruler or a special design that would include the rule over the woman, it appears that the documented account of the creation of man and woman has been rewritten and retold in such a way as to conform to fallen man&#8217;s way.  The question we must ask is why are complementarians allowed to rewrite history?  When the very foundation of the complementarian position is based on a recreated account of the origin of humankind, how is that a faithful way to view truth?</p>
<p>It has been said that changing the historical context changes the way we view the present. This is the power of historical revisionism. The very first attempt at rewriting history came out of the mouth of the serpent. Did God really say&#8230;, he asked as he challenged the historical account of God&#8217;s words. The rewriting of history was the foundation point for the very first lie. Today we are being told that the woman was not designed to rule but instead she has been designed to support the man in such a way that she does <strong><em>not do</em></strong> what he does. Can we actually change woman&#8217;s design by denying that she was created as a ruler and one who would give powerful aid to the man? How did the design of the woman get turned around so that complementarians are being taught that the woman was designed to be ruled by the man? It appears that it is true that if you tell a lie long enough and often enough, people will believe it. But a lie is never changed into the truth by repetition.</p>
<p>The next event that has been subject to historical revision is the fall. The consequence of man&#8217;s sin is downplayed in the fall so that the ruling of the man over the woman in Genesis 3 is made to be God&#8217;s original design even though God never mentioned it before the fall. History has also been rewritten when the words of God&#8217;s warning told to Eve about her husband&#8217;s after-sin way of relating to her is reinterpreted as God&#8217;s original design, not her husband&#8217;s new sin nature. But the truth unravels the revision when we study the context.  For if the context of the fall can be stripped away, then one can argue that God&#8217;s original design was weeds, a cursed earth and the necessary death of mankind.</p>
<p>I feel for my brothers and sisters in Christ who have had their &#8220;truth&#8221; molded by historical revisionism.  But I would encourage all of us not to forget the lessons of the past.  We are to remember what God has done for us.  God made woman to rule alongside the man.  When God originally created the man alone He stated that it was &#8220;not good&#8221;.  It is &#8220;not good&#8221; for man to fulfill his rule over creation alone. God made both the man and the woman to rule and the original rule was to be over God&#8217;s world and His animals, not over each other.</p>
<p>I also feel for my dear sisters in Christ who have been taught the revision of the creation account so that they have become afraid to go through the open doors that God has held open for them.  I would like quote a few words from a <a title="Women in Ministry blog from the First Baptist Church St. Simons Island Georgia" href=" http://cjay56.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/standing-at-the-door/" target="_blank"><strong>Women in Ministry blog</strong></a> from the First Baptist Church, St. Simons Island, Georgia.  This church has recently made a bold move to include women in a position of service in their church. Celeste writes some very thoughtful words about the open doors that God has for women.  I encourage you to read the whole post as I was very touched by it.</p>
<p><a href="http://cjay56.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/standing-at-the-door/"></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I see what you’ve done. Now see what I’ve done. I’ve opened a door before you that no one can slam shut. You don’t have much strength; I know that; you used what you had to keep my Word. You didn’t deny me when times were rough. Revelation 3:8 (The Message)</p>
<p>I wonder how many times in our lives we’ve prayed and asked the Lord to just “open a door” for us and told Him all that we would try to do to obey Him and to honor Him as we’d enter through it.</p>
<p>Open doors are a wonderful thing…<br />
 and the visual effect for us is very provocative and encouraging.</p>
<p>Then a door opens…<br />
 now what?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Indeed&#8230;now what?  How will we go through these open doors when we have fallen captive to the lie for so long?  Celeste gives words of advice in the finish of her post.</p>
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&lt;p&gt;How is it that there are millions of Christians who all look to the same Genesis account yet find themselves with different and contradictory truth claims from the same account?  While many conclude that man was designed in a special way that sets him above the woman with special God-given privileges, there are still many others who conclude that God created both man and woman as equal rulers over creation. We all need to be careful that we don&amp;#8217;t just see what we want to see because there is a tendency for each one of us to read our own position into the account. But as Christians we should desire to value truth above all else  for it is God&amp;#8217;s design that we want to discover, not mankind&amp;#8217;s aberration of God&amp;#8217;s design.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As we search diligently in the creation account in Genesis, we look for how God conveyed His design differences to the attention of the first man and woman. Did the man&lt;em&gt; know&lt;/em&gt; that he had been designed differently? Did he &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; that his design gave him special privileges that were withheld from his wife because she did not have the same design? And was it conveyed to Eve that she was not on the same level as Adam?  According to &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;Ray Orlund's blog article on husband and wife&quot; href=&quot;http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/13/husband-and-wife/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Ray Ortlund&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, God gave the man a special mission and a special &amp;#8220;call&amp;#8221; to accomplish and the woman had a special mission to please him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;God made Adam first and put him in the Garden with a job to do, a mission to fulfill.  In the heart of every fallen man is the self-doubt that wonders, “Am I man enough to climb this mountain God has called me to?  Can I fulfill my destiny?”  A wise wife will understand that question at the center of her husband’s heart.  And she will spend her life answering it, communicating to him in various ways, “Honey, I believe in your call.  I know you can do this, by God’s power.  Go for it.”  In this way, she will breathe life into her man.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God made Eve from Adam, for Adam, to help him follow the call.  In the heart of every fallen woman is the self-doubt that wonders, “Do I please you?  Am I what you wanted?”  A wise husband will understand that question at the center of his wife’s heart.  And he will spend his life answering it, communicating to her in various ways, “Darling, you are the one I need.  I cherish you.  Let me hold you close.”  In this way, he will breathe life into his wife.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So according to Orlund there is one call - for the man alone, but did you notice that he gave no scripture to support his view?  Let&amp;#8217;s now view what God Himself has revealed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God said that&lt;em&gt; both of them&lt;/em&gt; were made in His image. He said that &lt;em&gt;both&lt;/em&gt; were designed according to His likeness. Then God reveals that the design is for &lt;em&gt;them&lt;/em&gt; to rule.  Would this not be the perfect place for God to say that He made the male to rule and the female to support the man&amp;#8217;s rule? Why is it that this alternate design pattern of one that is called and the other who is to please the one who is called, is never mentioned? Why is it that the first mention of God&amp;#8217;s design is equality in creation in God&amp;#8217;s likeness and an equal design of rulership? Did God make a mistake and forget to show the design difference to the first pair? If we believe the Bible to be God&amp;#8217;s inspired inerrant word, we can be assured that God did not make a mistake. There has been no difference in God&amp;#8217;s design for their likeness or in their design that mandates their rule.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The next thing that we notice is that &lt;em&gt;both&lt;/em&gt; were designed to rule the fish and the birds and the cattle and the earth as well as everything that creeps on the earth. Now isn&amp;#8217;t this odd? If there was a design difference, shouldn&amp;#8217;t we see something like a design that keeps a woman to the water world kingdom while the man gets rule over all three kingdoms - the air and the land and the sea? How come with so many levels of rule that they both get it all? How come there isn&amp;#8217;t even a breath of difference between their rule? Those who say that man has a different mission to fill have a lot of explaining to do regarding why God&amp;#8217;s design is not different for the woman.  There is no divided kingdom.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The next thing that we notice is the coveted blessing that was held out to the first born is given to &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;both of them&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 1:28 God blessed &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;them&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;;&amp;#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God didn&amp;#8217;t hold out the special first born blessing to just the man. Instead He gave the same special blessing to both:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8230;and God said to &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;them&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The blessing involved their fruitfulness on the earth, their freedom to rule and the full extent of their rule. Both of them were given the whole earth to fill and subdue it and rule over every living creature and rule over the land. Where is the difference in design here? There is no difference at all. There is only equality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Notice another thing that is highly important.  In the issuing of the rule, God doesn&amp;#8217;t call out the man to speak to him first as if his calling was special or different than the woman&amp;#8217;s calling. God spoke to&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; them both&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.  Then God gives them the food that they have permission to eat and God does not divide the two of them into a gatherer and a cook.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Genesis 1: 29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The word &amp;#8220;you&amp;#8221; is plural in this verse. God speaks to both Adam and Eve and gives them both the mandate to be fruit and plant inspectors as they both need to know which plants have seeds. Again there is no design difference between Adam and Eve regarding their mission or their work.  Note also that God doesn&amp;#8217;t give Adam the mandate to teach Eve about which foods they can eat. God gives her His word Himself. Both are treated as responsible and equally designed rulers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now that we observed what God said, let&amp;#8217;s look to see what Adam said that would define any special design that he may have known that he had.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When Eve was talking to the serpent, did Adam claim that talking to the animals was his part of the rule?  No, Adam did not claim that there was a special animal rule that belonged to him alone because of the way that he was designed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did Eve understand that Adam had a special rule that she was to support him in that did not belong to her? No, there is not a single word from Eve to show she believed that Adam had a special rule. Well, what about the &amp;#8220;helper&amp;#8221; words of God? When God said that it was not good for man to be alone and He would create a helper comparable to him, does the term &amp;#8220;helper&amp;#8221; mean a lesser rule? Absolutely not. God is called our helper but He does not have a lesser rule than we do. Eve did not miss out on an equal rule with Adam because she was his helper. In fact the only way that she could be Adam&amp;#8217;s helper is for her to be competent in the work. She is never said to need to wait for Adam&amp;#8217;s instructions. She had her instructions from God Himself. She was a co-laborer with Adam.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many will bring up an objection by saying that Adam&amp;#8217;s first creation showed his special position.  The timing of his creation was necessary for Adam since God&amp;#8217;s design was that the woman was to be made from his body. How could she be created from his body if she was made at the same time? The fact that God gave them&lt;em&gt; both&lt;/em&gt; the first born blessing should remove any doubt that her creation from his body was meant to signal a secondary rule for the woman and a special first place rule for the man.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With no facts about a unique design of man that makes him the sole ruler or a special design that would include the rule over the woman, it appears that the documented account of the creation of man and woman has been rewritten and retold in such a way as to conform to fallen man&amp;#8217;s way.  The question we must ask is why are complementarians allowed to rewrite history?  When the very foundation of the complementarian position is based on a recreated account of the origin of humankind, how is that a faithful way to view truth?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It has been said that changing the historical context changes the way we view the present. This is the power of historical revisionism. The very first attempt at rewriting history came out of the mouth of the serpent. Did God really say&amp;#8230;, he asked as he challenged the historical account of God&amp;#8217;s words. The rewriting of history was the foundation point for the very first lie. Today we are being told that the woman was not designed to rule but instead she has been designed to support the man in such a way that she does &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;not do&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; what he does. Can we actually change woman&amp;#8217;s design by denying that she was created as a ruler and one who would give powerful aid to the man? How did the design of the woman get turned around so that complementarians are being taught that the woman was designed to be ruled by the man? It appears that it is true that if you tell a lie long enough and often enough, people will believe it. But a lie is never changed into the truth by repetition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The next event that has been subject to historical revision is the fall. The consequence of man&amp;#8217;s sin is downplayed in the fall so that the ruling of the man over the woman in Genesis 3 is made to be God&amp;#8217;s original design even though God never mentioned it before the fall. History has also been rewritten when the words of God&amp;#8217;s warning told to Eve about her husband&amp;#8217;s after-sin way of relating to her is reinterpreted as God&amp;#8217;s original design, not her husband&amp;#8217;s new sin nature. But the truth unravels the revision when we study the context.  For if the context of the fall can be stripped away, then one can argue that God&amp;#8217;s original design was weeds, a cursed earth and the necessary death of mankind.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel for my brothers and sisters in Christ who have had their &amp;#8220;truth&amp;#8221; molded by historical revisionism.  But I would encourage all of us not to forget the lessons of the past.  We are to remember what God has done for us.  God made woman to rule alongside the man.  When God originally created the man alone He stated that it was &amp;#8220;not good&amp;#8221;.  It is &amp;#8220;not good&amp;#8221; for man to fulfill his rule over creation alone. God made both the man and the woman to rule and the original rule was to be over God&amp;#8217;s world and His animals, not over each other.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also feel for my dear sisters in Christ who have been taught the revision of the creation account so that they have become afraid to go through the open doors that God has held open for them.  I would like quote a few words from a &lt;a title=&quot;Women in Ministry blog from the First Baptist Church St. Simons Island Georgia&quot; href=&quot; http://cjay56.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/standing-at-the-door/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Women in Ministry blog&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; from the First Baptist Church, St. Simons Island, Georgia.  This church has recently made a bold move to include women in a position of service in their church. Celeste writes some very thoughtful words about the open doors that God has for women.  I encourage you to read the whole post as I was very touched by it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://cjay56.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/standing-at-the-door/&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I see what you’ve done. Now see what I’ve done. I’ve opened a door before you that no one can slam shut. You don’t have much strength; I know that; you used what you had to keep my Word. You didn’t deny me when times were rough. Revelation 3:8 (The Message)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder how many times in our lives we’ve prayed and asked the Lord to just “open a door” for us and told Him all that we would try to do to obey Him and to honor Him as we’d enter through it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Open doors are a wonderful thing…&lt;br /&gt;
 and the visual effect for us is very provocative and encouraging.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then a door opens…&lt;br /&gt;
 now what?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Indeed&amp;#8230;now what?  How will we go through these open doors when we have fallen captive to the lie for so long?  Celeste gives words of advice in the finish of her post.&lt;/p&gt;
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Another common objection to women in ministry is the claim that when women speak and lead publicly it dishonors men.
The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) speaks of this as dishonoring the &#8220;calling&#8221; of men:
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<p>Another common objection to women in ministry is the claim that when women speak and lead publicly it dishonors men.</p>
<p>The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) speaks of this as dishonoring the &#8220;calling&#8221; of men:</p>
<blockquote><p>We would say that the teaching inappropriate for a woman is the teaching of men in settings or ways that dishonor the calling of men to bear the primary responsibility for teaching and leadership. This primary repsonsibility is to be carried by the pastors or elders. Therefore we think it is God’s will that only men bear the responsibility for this office. (pg 64 online version)</p>
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<p>One thing that we can notice from the quote above is that CBMW says &#8220;we <strong><em>think</em></strong> it is God&#8217;s will&#8230;&#8221;.  The fact that they don&#8217;t know for sure is telling. The fact is that God has not revealed in the Scriptures that it is His will that only men can teach and lead in their gifts. God has also not revealed that women can never teach and lead with their gifts in the body of Christ.  Instead of a sure word from God, &#8220;inappropriateness&#8221; of the public use of women&#8217;s gifts is a position based on what some surmise is God&#8217;s will.  It is result of the teaching that men alone bear the God-ordained responsibility for teaching.</p>
<p>CBMW continues with the thought that it isn&#8217;t about competency:</p>
<blockquote><p>The issue is not whether women are competent or intelligent or wise or well-taught. The issue is how they relate to the men of the church. &#8230; So the issue of shamefulness is at root an issue of doing something that would<strong><em> dishonor the role of the men</em></strong> as leaders of the congregation. (pg 65 online version, my emphasis)</p>
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<p>So, according to CBMW, the issue is not about whether God gifts women or about women&#8217;s intelligence or their wisdom or how well-taught they are. The focus is solely on men&#8217;s dishonor. Where does this issue of shame and dishonor come from?  Is it a Biblical teaching or does it come from shame-based cultural &#8220;laws&#8221;?  There is no doubt that the worldly system is based on honor and shame.  In worldly Islamic societies if a woman does something that is considered a shame to the man she may suffer punishment even to the extent of  losing her own life.  In ancient Jewish culture recorded in the Talmud, a man may suffer shame by his wife exposing the hair on her head in public or by exposing a bare ankle or her forearm.  A man was encouraged to deal with this shame by divorcing his wife.  It was his right to punish her for<strong><em> his dishonor</em></strong>.  This was the world&#8217;s way of handling men&#8217;s dishonor, but is it Biblical to accuse women of shaming and dishonoring men by using their God-given gifts?</p>
<p>If we do a Biblical search for the issue of shame or dishonor coming upon godly Christian men merely because of  a woman using her spiritual gifts, we find no verse that teaches such a thing.  No woman is ever charged with dishonoring a man by giving her gifts for the benefit of the body of Christ.  So where does CBMW get such an idea that women teaching the truth of God&#8217;s Word shames and dishonors men?  I suggest that issues of shame and dishonor follow quite naturally with the issue of pride.  Proverbs 11:2 speaks about pride that brings dishonor:</p>
<blockquote><p>Proverbs 11:2  <strong><em>When pride comes, then comes dishonor</em></strong>,  But with the humble is wisdom. (NASB)</p>
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<p>When one has a coveted &#8220;position&#8221; or &#8220;office&#8221; to defend, the pride that follows will set up boundaries to hold others outside. Then when women<em> dare</em> to function in the gifting that these men believe they alone have received from God, their pride is hurt and shame and dishonor follows.</p>
<p>Paul did not experience this shame. Instead of experiencing any kind of competition and thus dishonor, Paul gave his personal commendation on behalf of a woman to the Romans. This woman who received Paul&#8217;s personal recommendation was a servant or minister or deacon of the church at Cenchrea.  Depending on the translation, Phoebe is called &#8220;a deacon of the church&#8221;, &#8220;who serves the church&#8221;,  &#8221;our sister, who is a minister of the assembly&#8221;.</p>
<p>Paul describes this woman as one who actively served the entire church at Cenchrea. Because she was one who served in this way, she was to be received favorably by the Romans and because she had been the benefactor, protector, helper of many people, including Paul himself.</p>
<blockquote><p>Romans 16:2 I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me.  (TNIV)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Paul was not dishonored that a woman had been his benefactor. Nor did Paul indicate that the church at Cenchrea was dishonored by having a woman minister to the entire church. She is not said to be a deacon of the women but a deacon, minister, or servant <em><strong>of the church</strong></em>.  &#8217;She is not said to bring dishonor, but Paul&#8217;s extended his commendation in honoring her. Phoebe used her gifts to benefit many people including men because she used her gifts to benefit Paul.</p>
<p>Paul also was not dishonored by the ministry of Priscilla who was a &#8220;fellow worker&#8221; of Paul&#8217;s (Romans 16:3). Priscilla was one of the teachers who taught Apollos the way of God more accurately. Apollos did not experience shame or dishonor by being taught and corrected by a woman.</p>
<p>Yet some are so dishonored by a woman&#8217;s using her gifts for the benefit of the entire church that they have kept some of the best of men&#8217;s teaching away from women. Just in case that a woman might dishonor them, they will not allow her to learn about anything that has been held in high regard for the use of men alone. They will not allow her into their seminaries or take pastoral courses even though the Scriptures never hold back learning from women and Paul himself commands that a woman should be allowed learn. A man&#8217;s  protection of his &#8220;office&#8221; from suffering &#8220;dishonor&#8221; causes him to disobey the Bible&#8217;s clear injunction to allow a woman to learn.</p>
<p>Rather than holding to a position of boasting in an &#8220;office&#8221;, the Bible turns men away from such a boastful way and it commands all who desire to be the greatest in the kingdom to be the servants of all. The servant then must equip the saints for the work of service.  (Eph 4:12)  The true servant of God will equip all for service for the express purpose of building up the entire body. There can be no dishonor in equipping women to serve the body.</p>
<blockquote><p>Eph 4:11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 <em><strong> for the equipping of the saints for the work of service</strong></em>, to the <strong><em>building up of the body of Christ</em></strong>; 13  until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. NASB</p>
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<p>True servants of God should never suffer dishonor through their position of equipping the saints when these godly women saints take that equipping and use it to build up the body of Christ.  When a Christian man turns aside from both protecting the flock and preparing them for ministry, pride will cause them to feel a need for protection<strong><em> from</em></strong> the flock especially from the gifts of godly Christian women. Any Christian leader who is dishonored and fearful of <strong><em>equipped Christian women</em></strong> is short sighted and has taken his eyes off of Jesus as the giver of the gifts and the One who has empowered us with the Holy Spirit for body service. When men&#8217;s shame and dishonor comes before the work of God it is time for men to repent and seek His forgiveness.  I believe that when godly men turn from their pride in an &#8220;office&#8221; and turn back to the Lord Jesus in humility and start practicing the equipping of the entire body of Christ for service, God will be honored and the Church will go out triumphant in all her glory to win the lost for Christ.</p>
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&lt;p&gt;Another common objection to women in ministry is the claim that when women speak and lead publicly it dishonors men.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) speaks of this as dishonoring the &amp;#8220;calling&amp;#8221; of men:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We would say that the teaching inappropriate for a woman is the teaching of men in settings or ways that dishonor the calling of men to bear the primary responsibility for teaching and leadership. This primary repsonsibility is to be carried by the pastors or elders. Therefore we think it is God’s will that only men bear the responsibility for this office. (pg 64 online version)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;One thing that we can notice from the quote above is that CBMW says &amp;#8220;we &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; it is God&amp;#8217;s will&amp;#8230;&amp;#8221;.  The fact that they don&amp;#8217;t know for sure is telling. The fact is that God has not revealed in the Scriptures that it is His will that only men can teach and lead in their gifts. God has also not revealed that women can never teach and lead with their gifts in the body of Christ.  Instead of a sure word from God, &amp;#8220;inappropriateness&amp;#8221; of the public use of women&amp;#8217;s gifts is a position based on what some surmise is God&amp;#8217;s will.  It is result of the teaching that men alone bear the God-ordained responsibility for teaching.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CBMW continues with the thought that it isn&amp;#8217;t about competency:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The issue is not whether women are competent or intelligent or wise or well-taught. The issue is how they relate to the men of the church. &amp;#8230; So the issue of shamefulness is at root an issue of doing something that would&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; dishonor the role of the men&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; as leaders of the congregation. (pg 65 online version, my emphasis)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;So, according to CBMW, the issue is not about whether God gifts women or about women&amp;#8217;s intelligence or their wisdom or how well-taught they are. The focus is solely on men&amp;#8217;s dishonor. Where does this issue of shame and dishonor come from?  Is it a Biblical teaching or does it come from shame-based cultural &amp;#8220;laws&amp;#8221;?  There is no doubt that the worldly system is based on honor and shame.  In worldly Islamic societies if a woman does something that is considered a shame to the man she may suffer punishment even to the extent of  losing her own life.  In ancient Jewish culture recorded in the Talmud, a man may suffer shame by his wife exposing the hair on her head in public or by exposing a bare ankle or her forearm.  A man was encouraged to deal with this shame by divorcing his wife.  It was his right to punish her for&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; his dishonor&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.  This was the world&amp;#8217;s way of handling men&amp;#8217;s dishonor, but is it Biblical to accuse women of shaming and dishonoring men by using their God-given gifts?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we do a Biblical search for the issue of shame or dishonor coming upon godly Christian men merely because of  a woman using her spiritual gifts, we find no verse that teaches such a thing.  No woman is ever charged with dishonoring a man by giving her gifts for the benefit of the body of Christ.  So where does CBMW get such an idea that women teaching the truth of God&amp;#8217;s Word shames and dishonors men?  I suggest that issues of shame and dishonor follow quite naturally with the issue of pride.  Proverbs 11:2 speaks about pride that brings dishonor:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Proverbs 11:2  &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;When pride comes, then comes dishonor&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;,  But with the humble is wisdom. (NASB)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When one has a coveted &amp;#8220;position&amp;#8221; or &amp;#8220;office&amp;#8221; to defend, the pride that follows will set up boundaries to hold others outside. Then when women&lt;em&gt; dare&lt;/em&gt; to function in the gifting that these men believe they alone have received from God, their pride is hurt and shame and dishonor follows.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paul did not experience this shame. Instead of experiencing any kind of competition and thus dishonor, Paul gave his personal commendation on behalf of a woman to the Romans. This woman who received Paul&amp;#8217;s personal recommendation was a servant or minister or deacon of the church at Cenchrea.  Depending on the translation, Phoebe is called &amp;#8220;a deacon of the church&amp;#8221;, &amp;#8220;who serves the church&amp;#8221;,  &amp;#8221;our sister, who is a minister of the assembly&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paul describes this woman as one who actively served the entire church at Cenchrea. Because she was one who served in this way, she was to be received favorably by the Romans and because she had been the benefactor, protector, helper of many people, including Paul himself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Romans 16:2 I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me.  (TNIV)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paul was not dishonored that a woman had been his benefactor. Nor did Paul indicate that the church at Cenchrea was dishonored by having a woman minister to the entire church. She is not said to be a deacon of the women but a deacon, minister, or servant &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;of the church&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.  &amp;#8217;She is not said to bring dishonor, but Paul&amp;#8217;s extended his commendation in honoring her. Phoebe used her gifts to benefit many people including men because she used her gifts to benefit Paul.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paul also was not dishonored by the ministry of Priscilla who was a &amp;#8220;fellow worker&amp;#8221; of Paul&amp;#8217;s (Romans 16:3). Priscilla was one of the teachers who taught Apollos the way of God more accurately. Apollos did not experience shame or dishonor by being taught and corrected by a woman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yet some are so dishonored by a woman&amp;#8217;s using her gifts for the benefit of the entire church that they have kept some of the best of men&amp;#8217;s teaching away from women. Just in case that a woman might dishonor them, they will not allow her to learn about anything that has been held in high regard for the use of men alone. They will not allow her into their seminaries or take pastoral courses even though the Scriptures never hold back learning from women and Paul himself commands that a woman should be allowed learn. A man&amp;#8217;s  protection of his &amp;#8220;office&amp;#8221; from suffering &amp;#8220;dishonor&amp;#8221; causes him to disobey the Bible&amp;#8217;s clear injunction to allow a woman to learn.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rather than holding to a position of boasting in an &amp;#8220;office&amp;#8221;, the Bible turns men away from such a boastful way and it commands all who desire to be the greatest in the kingdom to be the servants of all. The servant then must equip the saints for the work of service.  (Eph 4:12)  The true servant of God will equip all for service for the express purpose of building up the entire body. There can be no dishonor in equipping women to serve the body.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Eph 4:11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt; for the equipping of the saints for the work of service&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, to the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;building up of the body of Christ&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;; 13  until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. NASB&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;True servants of God should never suffer dishonor through their position of equipping the saints when these godly women saints take that equipping and use it to build up the body of Christ.  When a Christian man turns aside from both protecting the flock and preparing them for ministry, pride will cause them to feel a need for protection&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; from&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; the flock especially from the gifts of godly Christian women. Any Christian leader who is dishonored and fearful of &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;equipped Christian women&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; is short sighted and has taken his eyes off of Jesus as the giver of the gifts and the One who has empowered us with the Holy Spirit for body service. When men&amp;#8217;s shame and dishonor comes before the work of God it is time for men to repent and seek His forgiveness.  I believe that when godly men turn from their pride in an &amp;#8220;office&amp;#8221; and turn back to the Lord Jesus in humility and start practicing the equipping of the entire body of Christ for service, God will be honored and the Church will go out triumphant in all her glory to win the lost for Christ.&lt;/p&gt;
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One of the first objections to women in ministry is the fact that Jesus chose only males as his twelve apostles. If Jesus only chose men for this special &#8220;class&#8221; of people who were to be His witnesses of the resurrection, then didn&#8217;t Jesus show by this act that He does not allow women to [...]]]></description>
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<p>One of the first objections to women in ministry is the fact that Jesus chose only males as his twelve apostles. If Jesus only chose men for this special &#8220;class&#8221; of people who were to be His <em>witnesses</em> of the resurrection, then didn&#8217;t Jesus show by this act that He does not allow women to minister in the church as men alone are to have a special position of authority?</p>
<p>I would like to suggest that Jesus <em>deliberately</em> chose men as part of the group of 12 who were to be <em>witnesses</em> to the resurrection since these men were to be <strong><em>witnesses to the world</em></strong> while Jesus assigned women to be the first <strong><em>witnesses to the church</em></strong>.</p>
<p>In the culture of that day only men were considered to be credible witnesses. So a <em><strong>witness to the world</strong></em> would be most effective with the witness of those who could legally give testimony. It was the men who would establish a <em>legal testimony</em> to the world and go on to establish the integrity of their own witness by laying down their lives.</p>
<p>But Jesus considered the brethren to be <strong><em>different</em></strong> than the world as they were to accept the word and the witness of women without the world&#8217;s prejudice.</p>
<p>The angels at the tomb gave the gospel first of all to the women who spread the word by promptly giving the gospel to the men:</p>
<blockquote><p>Luke 24:6  &#8221;He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee,</p>
<p>Luke 24:7  saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Luke 24:8  And <strong><em>they remembered His words</em></strong>,</p>
<p>Luke 24:9  and returned from the tomb and <strong><em>reported all these things to the eleven and to all the rest</em></strong>.</p>
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<p>In the book of Matthew, the angel commands the women to give the good news of the gospel to the Lord Jesus&#8217; disciples:</p>
<blockquote><p>Matthew 28:5  The angel said to the women, &#8220;Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who has been crucified.</p>
<p>Matthew 28:6  &#8221;He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying.</p>
<p>Matthew 28:7  &#8221;<strong><em>Go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead</em></strong>; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him; behold, I have told you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Matthew 28:8  And they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to report it to His disciples.</p>
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<p>While the women were on their way to report the good news to the disciples, Jesus Himself met them and it was Jesus who commissioned them as witnesses:</p>
<blockquote><p>Matthew 28:9  And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.</p>
<p>Matthew 28:10  Then Jesus *said to them, &#8220;Do not be afraid; <strong><em>go and take word to My brethren</em></strong> to leave for Galilee, and there they will see Me.&#8221;</p>
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<p>In the book of John, Mary was also given the privilege of seeing the resurrected Christ and she too was commissioned by Jesus to give a message of hope to the disciples:</p>
<blockquote><p>John 20:15  Jesus *said to her, &#8220;Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?&#8221; Supposing Him to be the gardener, she *said to Him, &#8220;Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you have laid Him, and I will take Him away.&#8221;</p>
<p>John 20:16  Jesus *said to her, &#8220;Mary!&#8221; She turned and *said to Him in Hebrew, &#8220;Rabboni!&#8221; (which means, Teacher).</p>
<p>John 20:17  Jesus *said to her, &#8220;Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but<strong><em> go to My brethren and say to them, &#8216;I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God</em></strong>.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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<p>In Mark&#8217;s account an angel commands the women to take word to Jesus&#8217; disciples telling them that what happened to Jesus and the resurrection was &#8220;just as He told you&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Mark 16:5  Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed.</p>
<p>Mark 16:6  And he *said to them, &#8220;Do not be amazed; you are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who has been crucified. He has risen; He is not here; behold, here is the place where they laid Him.</p>
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<div>Mark 16:7  &#8221;But <strong><em>go, tell His disciples and Peter</em></strong>, &#8216;He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, <strong><em>just as He told you</em></strong>.&#8217;&#8221;</div>
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<p>But the men <em>would <strong>not</strong></em><em> believe</em> the gospel given by the <em>testimony </em>of the women:</p>
<blockquote><p>Luke 24:10  Now they were Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James; also the other women with them were telling these things to the apostles.</p>
<p>Luke 24:11  But these words appeared to them as nonsense, and <strong><em>they <span style="text-decoration: underline;">would not</span> believe them</em></strong>.</p>
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<p>These disciples were acting <em><strong>like the world</strong></em> in that they would not receive the testimony of the women.  Jesus Himself came to some of these male disciples on the road to Emmaus and keeping their eyes from recognizing Him, he questioned them about what had happened. The men answered:</p>
<blockquote><p>Luke 24:18  One of them, named Cleopas, answered and said to Him, &#8220;Are You the only one visiting Jerusalem and unaware of the things which have happened here in these days?&#8221;</p>
<p>Luke 24:19  And He said to them, &#8220;What things?&#8221; And they said to Him, &#8220;The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people,</p>
<p>Luke 24:20  and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the sentence of death, and crucified Him.</p>
<p>Luke 24:21  &#8221;But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.</p>
<p>Luke 24:22  &#8221;But also some women among us amazed us. When they were at the tomb early in the morning,</p>
<p>Luke 24:23  and did not find His body, <strong><em>they came, saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said that He was alive</em></strong>.</p>
<p>Luke 24:24  &#8221;Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and <strong><em>found it just exactly as the women also had said</em></strong>; but Him they did not see.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Even with the testimony of all these women saying that Jesus was alive, they did not believe the women. Jesus chided them because they had not believed the testimony of the women nor had they believed the testimony of the prophets of old who had prophesied about His death and resurrection:</p>
<blockquote><p>Luke 24:25  And He said to them, &#8220;<strong><em>O foolish men and slow of heart to believe</em></strong> in all that the prophets have spoken!</p>
<p>Luke 24:26  &#8221;Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?&#8221;</p>
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<p>The undeniable testimony of the women and their belief in the resurrection was <em>designed by God</em> to be the very first <em>witnes</em>s to the early Christians.  The <strong><em>command for women to testify</em></strong> was from angels <em>and</em> from the Lord Jesus Himself.  By this act, Jesus removed the stigma of women as unreliable witnesses and He prepared the heart of his own brethren to receive women with full acceptance of their gifts through the coming in-filling and commission of the Holy Spirit which would shortly come to pass.</p>
<p>We should be able to see that it was the <em><strong>unbelieving world</strong></em> that needed the witness of 12 <strong><em>men.</em></strong> In contrast it was Jesus&#8217; disciples who were given the witness of the women.   God&#8217;s people were to accept the witness and gifting of godly women.</p>
<p>While the world is prejudiced against women, it is not to be that way among you.  The world&#8217;s way is prejudice against women.  That is why Jesus sent 12 <strong><em>male witnesses</em></strong> to be the commissioned witnesses of the resurrection <em>to the world</em>.  Jesus was not prejudiced against women - the world was!  But Jesus completely changed things with the church by sending women to the unbelieving brethren, because the church is to learn from Jesus a better way that is love without prejudice.</p>
<p>Jesus desired to teach his male disciples that they could accept the testimony of a woman sent by God.  She was just as worthy a witness as they were.  Today Jesus is still sending a message to the church.  We are to be <em>different</em> from the world.  We are to be salt and light showing a different way.</p>
<p>I believe that when we love God enough, we will accept His gifts through female vessels without prejudice.  We as the church need to humble ourselves to embrace and encourage God&#8217;s commissioned witnesses and God&#8217;s commissioned gifts even from women whom God calls and gifts.  When we stop acting with prejudice as the world acts, the world will take notice that we have been with Jesus and we are changed.  Truly they will know that we are His disciples by our love for one another.  Let no man grieve the Holy Spirit by rejecting God&#8217;s gifts that flow through his sister in Christ.</p>
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&lt;p&gt;One of the first objections to women in ministry is the fact that Jesus chose only males as his twelve apostles. If Jesus only chose men for this special &amp;#8220;class&amp;#8221; of people who were to be His &lt;em&gt;witnesses&lt;/em&gt; of the resurrection, then didn&amp;#8217;t Jesus show by this act that He does not allow women to minister in the church as men alone are to have a special position of authority?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would like to suggest that Jesus &lt;em&gt;deliberately&lt;/em&gt; chose men as part of the group of 12 who were to be &lt;em&gt;witnesses&lt;/em&gt; to the resurrection since these men were to be &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;witnesses to the world&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; while Jesus assigned women to be the first &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;witnesses to the church&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the culture of that day only men were considered to be credible witnesses. So a &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;witness to the world&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; would be most effective with the witness of those who could legally give testimony. It was the men who would establish a &lt;em&gt;legal testimony&lt;/em&gt; to the world and go on to establish the integrity of their own witness by laying down their lives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But Jesus considered the brethren to be &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;different&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; than the world as they were to accept the word and the witness of women without the world&amp;#8217;s prejudice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The angels at the tomb gave the gospel first of all to the women who spread the word by promptly giving the gospel to the men:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:6  &amp;#8221;He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:7  saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:8  And &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;they remembered His words&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:9  and returned from the tomb and &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;reported all these things to the eleven and to all the rest&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;In the book of Matthew, the angel commands the women to give the good news of the gospel to the Lord Jesus&amp;#8217; disciples:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Matthew 28:5  The angel said to the women, &amp;#8220;Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who has been crucified.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Matthew 28:6  &amp;#8221;He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Matthew 28:7  &amp;#8221;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him; behold, I have told you.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Matthew 28:8  And they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to report it to His disciples.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;While the women were on their way to report the good news to the disciples, Jesus Himself met them and it was Jesus who commissioned them as witnesses:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Matthew 28:9  And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Matthew 28:10  Then Jesus *said to them, &amp;#8220;Do not be afraid; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;go and take word to My brethren&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; to leave for Galilee, and there they will see Me.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;In the book of John, Mary was also given the privilege of seeing the resurrected Christ and she too was commissioned by Jesus to give a message of hope to the disciples:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;John 20:15  Jesus *said to her, &amp;#8220;Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?&amp;#8221; Supposing Him to be the gardener, she *said to Him, &amp;#8220;Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you have laid Him, and I will take Him away.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John 20:16  Jesus *said to her, &amp;#8220;Mary!&amp;#8221; She turned and *said to Him in Hebrew, &amp;#8220;Rabboni!&amp;#8221; (which means, Teacher).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John 20:17  Jesus *said to her, &amp;#8220;Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; go to My brethren and say to them, &amp;#8216;I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&amp;#8217;&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;In Mark&amp;#8217;s account an angel commands the women to take word to Jesus&amp;#8217; disciples telling them that what happened to Jesus and the resurrection was &amp;#8220;just as He told you&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mark 16:5  Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mark 16:6  And he *said to them, &amp;#8220;Do not be amazed; you are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who has been crucified. He has risen; He is not here; behold, here is the place where they laid Him.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Mark 16:7  &amp;#8221;But &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;go, tell His disciples and Peter&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, &amp;#8216;He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;just as He told you&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&amp;#8217;&amp;#8221;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;But the men &lt;em&gt;would &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt; believe&lt;/em&gt; the gospel given by the &lt;em&gt;testimony &lt;/em&gt;of the women:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:10  Now they were Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James; also the other women with them were telling these things to the apostles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:11  But these words appeared to them as nonsense, and &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;they &lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: underline;&quot;&gt;would not&lt;/span&gt; believe them&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;These disciples were acting &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;like the world&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; in that they would not receive the testimony of the women.  Jesus Himself came to some of these male disciples on the road to Emmaus and keeping their eyes from recognizing Him, he questioned them about what had happened. The men answered:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:18  One of them, named Cleopas, answered and said to Him, &amp;#8220;Are You the only one visiting Jerusalem and unaware of the things which have happened here in these days?&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:19  And He said to them, &amp;#8220;What things?&amp;#8221; And they said to Him, &amp;#8220;The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:20  and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the sentence of death, and crucified Him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:21  &amp;#8221;But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:22  &amp;#8221;But also some women among us amazed us. When they were at the tomb early in the morning,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:23  and did not find His body, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;they came, saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said that He was alive&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:24  &amp;#8221;Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;found it just exactly as the women also had said&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;; but Him they did not see.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Even with the testimony of all these women saying that Jesus was alive, they did not believe the women. Jesus chided them because they had not believed the testimony of the women nor had they believed the testimony of the prophets of old who had prophesied about His death and resurrection:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:25  And He said to them, &amp;#8220;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;O foolish men and slow of heart to believe&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; in all that the prophets have spoken!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luke 24:26  &amp;#8221;Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;The undeniable testimony of the women and their belief in the resurrection was &lt;em&gt;designed by God&lt;/em&gt; to be the very first &lt;em&gt;witnes&lt;/em&gt;s to the early Christians.  The &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;command for women to testify&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; was from angels &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; from the Lord Jesus Himself.  By this act, Jesus removed the stigma of women as unreliable witnesses and He prepared the heart of his own brethren to receive women with full acceptance of their gifts through the coming in-filling and commission of the Holy Spirit which would shortly come to pass.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We should be able to see that it was the &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;unbelieving world&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; that needed the witness of 12 &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;men.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; In contrast it was Jesus&amp;#8217; disciples who were given the witness of the women.   God&amp;#8217;s people were to accept the witness and gifting of godly women.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While the world is prejudiced against women, it is not to be that way among you.  The world&amp;#8217;s way is prejudice against women.  That is why Jesus sent 12 &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;male witnesses&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; to be the commissioned witnesses of the resurrection &lt;em&gt;to the world&lt;/em&gt;.  Jesus was not prejudiced against women - the world was!  But Jesus completely changed things with the church by sending women to the unbelieving brethren, because the church is to learn from Jesus a better way that is love without prejudice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jesus desired to teach his male disciples that they could accept the testimony of a woman sent by God.  She was just as worthy a witness as they were.  Today Jesus is still sending a message to the church.  We are to be &lt;em&gt;different&lt;/em&gt; from the world.  We are to be salt and light showing a different way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe that when we love God enough, we will accept His gifts through female vessels without prejudice.  We as the church need to humble ourselves to embrace and encourage God&amp;#8217;s commissioned witnesses and God&amp;#8217;s commissioned gifts even from women whom God calls and gifts.  When we stop acting with prejudice as the world acts, the world will take notice that we have been with Jesus and we are changed.  Truly they will know that we are His disciples by our love for one another.  Let no man grieve the Holy Spirit by rejecting God&amp;#8217;s gifts that flow through his sister in Christ.&lt;/p&gt;
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The bride of Christ has been given gifts but are teacher and pastor two gifts or one?

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<p>The bride of Christ has been given gifts but are teacher and pastor two gifts or one?</p>
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<p>God has given many gifts to the church and the main purpose of the gifts is to edify the body of Christ so that God will ultimately be glorified.  Paul makes it clear in 1 Corinthians 14:12 that we are to strive to excel in the gifts that will build up the church.</p>
<blockquote><p>1 Cor 14:12  So with yourselves, since you are eager for manifestations of the Spirit, strive to excel in building up the church. ESV</p>
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<p>While Paul encourages Christians to excel in building up the church, most complementarians do not believe that women are allowed to build up the church by being gifted as teachers.  How can they disallow the Holy Spirit&#8217;s ability to Sovereignly decide who receives the gifts? Ephesians 4:11 says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Eph 4:11  And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, NASB</p>
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<p>Here we see separate gifts that God has given to the church but the list in Ephesians is interpreted by some with &#8220;pastors and teachers&#8221; as one &#8220;office&#8221;.  John MacArthur says it this way:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>pastors and teachers</strong>. This phrase is best understood in context as a single office of leadership in the church. The Gr. word translated “and” can mean “in particular” (see 1 Tim. 5:17). The normal meaning of pastor is “shepherd,” so the two functions together define the teaching shepherd. The MacArthur Study Bible</p>
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<p>MacArthur is identifying &#8220;and&#8221; as not a conjunction between two separate gifts, but a &#8220;particular&#8221; emphasis on the gift.  In other words in MacArthur&#8217;s world a pastor <em><strong>is</strong></em> the teacher.</p>
<p>Others point out that there is a singular definite article before pastor and no definite article before teacher.  The one definite article they say, connects the two together in such a way that the one gift should be called singular as pastor-teacher.</p>
<p>However the exact same grammar is also in Matthew 5:20 where &#8220;scribes&#8221; and &#8220;Pharisees&#8221; have a singular definite article before two nouns joined together by the Greek &#8220;kai&#8221; or &#8220;and&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Matthew 5:20  &#8221;For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of <em><strong>the scribes and Pharisees</strong></em>, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.</p>
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<p>Jesus has connected the scribes and Pharisees as having a common type of &#8220;righteousness&#8221;, however is Jesus here saying that the scribes and Pharisees are one united thing?  Would it be proper to call them scribe-Pharisees as a singular unit?  No, not at all.  While most scribes were Pharisees, certainly not all Pharisees could be called scribes.  The Pharisees and scribes are related, as they have a common self-righteousness, but they are not the same. Here is another example:</p>
<blockquote><p>Matthew 2:4  Gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born.</p>
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<p>Again we find in Matthew 2:4 that there is one article for the two nouns which are joined together by &#8220;kai&#8221;.  So we need to ask, are the chief priests all scribes?  Should the chief priests be called chief priest-scribes?  Again we have to say no.  Although the chief priests and scribes are placed in a related function in the verse, they are not the same and one can be a chief priest without being a scribe. John MacArthur admits that the chief priests were mostly Sadducees while the scribes were mostly Pharisees.  The fact that they are listed together with only one definite article does not make them completely tied together so they must be listed as a hyphenated noun or as referring to a united &#8220;one&#8221;.</p>
<p>So does the fact that pastors and teachers share a common definite article in Ephesians 4:11 mean that they are so interrelated that there is actually only one gift and only one function?  Should they be listed as a hyphenated noun as if they are only one gift?  No it cannot mean that as comparing Scripture to Scripture shows us clearly that <em><strong>teacher</strong></em> is a gift of its own.</p>
<p>Many complementarians state that only pastors are allowed to be teachers because of the common definite article, but the grammar of Ephesians 4:11 cannot remove the singular gift of teacher and attach it inseparably with the gift of pastor.  Paul lists teachers by themselves in 1 Corinthians 12:28 without any attachment to the gift of pastor.</p>
<blockquote><p>1 Cor 12:28  And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.</p>
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<p>Paul also states that the distinct gifts are to be utilized with the grace given to each of us.  We can note that the one who teaches is to use it in proportion of his/her faith in their act of &#8220;teaching&#8221; not in &#8220;pastoring&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Romans 12:6  Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith;</p>
<p>Romans 12:7  if service, in his serving; or <em><strong>he who teaches, in his teaching</strong></em>;</p>
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<p>While the gifts can operate together they are distinct and the portion of faith for each gift is distinct.  Why is it so important for complementarians to try to remove teachers as a separate category of gift apart from pastor?  It is because teachers were historically listed as the kind of the gifts that were very clearly done by people who were ministering to the whole church.  The Bible Knowledge Commentary by Valvoord states:</p>
<blockquote><p>Gifted apostles, prophets, and <strong><em>teachers</em></strong> characteristically <strong><em>ministered to a whole church</em></strong>, and so would engender unity and mutual edification.  <em>Walvoord, J. F., Zuck, R. B., &amp; Dallas Theological Seminary. The Bible knowledge commentary : An exposition of the scripture</em>s.</p>
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<p>I would like to suggest that we as the church would do well to embrace <em>all</em> of God&#8217;s gifts that resides in whomever God desires to gift.  If it pleases God to gift women as teachers, we need to allow them to fulfill their gifting so that it benefits the church and to that their gifts can be rightly used to grow the church into maturity.</p>
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&lt;p&gt;The bride of Christ has been given gifts but are teacher and pastor two gifts or one?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;God has given many gifts to the church and the main purpose of the gifts is to edify the body of Christ so that God will ultimately be glorified.  Paul makes it clear in 1 Corinthians 14:12 that we are to strive to excel in the gifts that will build up the church.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 Cor 14:12  So with yourselves, since you are eager for manifestations of the Spirit, strive to excel in building up the church. ESV&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;While Paul encourages Christians to excel in building up the church, most complementarians do not believe that women are allowed to build up the church by being gifted as teachers.  How can they disallow the Holy Spirit&amp;#8217;s ability to Sovereignly decide who receives the gifts? Ephesians 4:11 says:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Eph 4:11  And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, NASB&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Here we see separate gifts that God has given to the church but the list in Ephesians is interpreted by some with &amp;#8220;pastors and teachers&amp;#8221; as one &amp;#8220;office&amp;#8221;.  John MacArthur says it this way:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;pastors and teachers&lt;/strong&gt;. This phrase is best understood in context as a single office of leadership in the church. The Gr. word translated “and” can mean “in particular” (see 1 Tim. 5:17). The normal meaning of pastor is “shepherd,” so the two functions together define the teaching shepherd. The MacArthur Study Bible&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;MacArthur is identifying &amp;#8220;and&amp;#8221; as not a conjunction between two separate gifts, but a &amp;#8220;particular&amp;#8221; emphasis on the gift.  In other words in MacArthur&amp;#8217;s world a pastor &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; the teacher.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Others point out that there is a singular definite article before pastor and no definite article before teacher.  The one definite article they say, connects the two together in such a way that the one gift should be called singular as pastor-teacher.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However the exact same grammar is also in Matthew 5:20 where &amp;#8220;scribes&amp;#8221; and &amp;#8220;Pharisees&amp;#8221; have a singular definite article before two nouns joined together by the Greek &amp;#8220;kai&amp;#8221; or &amp;#8220;and&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Matthew 5:20  &amp;#8221;For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;the scribes and Pharisees&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Jesus has connected the scribes and Pharisees as having a common type of &amp;#8220;righteousness&amp;#8221;, however is Jesus here saying that the scribes and Pharisees are one united thing?  Would it be proper to call them scribe-Pharisees as a singular unit?  No, not at all.  While most scribes were Pharisees, certainly not all Pharisees could be called scribes.  The Pharisees and scribes are related, as they have a common self-righteousness, but they are not the same. Here is another example:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Matthew 2:4  Gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Again we find in Matthew 2:4 that there is one article for the two nouns which are joined together by &amp;#8220;kai&amp;#8221;.  So we need to ask, are the chief priests all scribes?  Should the chief priests be called chief priest-scribes?  Again we have to say no.  Although the chief priests and scribes are placed in a related function in the verse, they are not the same and one can be a chief priest without being a scribe. John MacArthur admits that the chief priests were mostly Sadducees while the scribes were mostly Pharisees.  The fact that they are listed together with only one definite article does not make them completely tied together so they must be listed as a hyphenated noun or as referring to a united &amp;#8220;one&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So does the fact that pastors and teachers share a common definite article in Ephesians 4:11 mean that they are so interrelated that there is actually only one gift and only one function?  Should they be listed as a hyphenated noun as if they are only one gift?  No it cannot mean that as comparing Scripture to Scripture shows us clearly that &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;teacher&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; is a gift of its own.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many complementarians state that only pastors are allowed to be teachers because of the common definite article, but the grammar of Ephesians 4:11 cannot remove the singular gift of teacher and attach it inseparably with the gift of pastor.  Paul lists teachers by themselves in 1 Corinthians 12:28 without any attachment to the gift of pastor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 Cor 12:28  And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Paul also states that the distinct gifts are to be utilized with the grace given to each of us.  We can note that the one who teaches is to use it in proportion of his/her faith in their act of &amp;#8220;teaching&amp;#8221; not in &amp;#8220;pastoring&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Romans 12:6  Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Romans 12:7  if service, in his serving; or &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;he who teaches, in his teaching&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;While the gifts can operate together they are distinct and the portion of faith for each gift is distinct.  Why is it so important for complementarians to try to remove teachers as a separate category of gift apart from pastor?  It is because teachers were historically listed as the kind of the gifts that were very clearly done by people who were ministering to the whole church.  The Bible Knowledge Commentary by Valvoord states:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Gifted apostles, prophets, and &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;teachers&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; characteristically &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;ministered to a whole church&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, and so would engender unity and mutual edification.  &lt;em&gt;Walvoord, J. F., Zuck, R. B., &amp;amp; Dallas Theological Seminary. The Bible knowledge commentary : An exposition of the scripture&lt;/em&gt;s.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I would like to suggest that we as the church would do well to embrace &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; of God&amp;#8217;s gifts that resides in whomever God desires to gift.  If it pleases God to gift women as teachers, we need to allow them to fulfill their gifting so that it benefits the church and to that their gifts can be rightly used to grow the church into maturity.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Another Christian organization in Canada has charity status removed</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following article was sent to me this morning by Mabel, a follower of this blog.  The pastor of the church that had its charity status removed in Canada also contacted our ministry as we went through the same kind of persecution from the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) regarding their disallowing as &#8220;charitable&#8221; the work [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following article was sent to me this morning by Mabel, a follower of this blog.  The pastor of the church that had its charity status removed in Canada also contacted our ministry as we went through the same kind of persecution from the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) regarding their disallowing as &#8220;charitable&#8221; the work of ministering Jesus to the cults.  They allow people to preach Jesus in their own congregations, but if one is persuasively bringing Jesus to those who are lost in the world of the cults, the government of Canada see this as an &#8220;uncharitable&#8221; work and will actively move to withdraw one&#8217;s charitable status. The consequences of the removal of charitable status means that all ministry money and equipment must be given away or the government taxes it at 100% rate. It was a very difficult time for us as we had to purchase back our own equipment and stock just to continue in ministry. Our ministry is now based out of the USA as a charitable organization.  It is a very sad time when Christian ministries face restrictions when Christians speak up about the things that God intends to make us salt and light to this world.  There is no doubt to me that the time is short and we must continue to live our Christian lives fearlessly speaking the truth with love no matter what the cost.</p>
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<h3>Calgary Church Loses Charity Status: Opposition to Abortion, Homosexuality Cited as Reasons</h3>
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<p style="text-align: center;">By Patrick B. Craine</p>
<p>CALGARY, Alberta, January 21, 2010 (<a title="Lifesitenews.com" href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/" target="_blank">LifeSiteNews.com</a>) - The Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) has revoked the charitable status of Kings Glory Fellowship (KGF), a Christian church in Calgary.  CRA cites a number of issues with KGF&#8217;s application, but the decision is based, in part, on the ground that certain KGF Board members have spoken out strongly against abortion, and other moral issues.</p>
<p>&#8220;The members of the Board of Directors espouse strong negative views about sensitive and controversial issues, which may also be viewed as political, such as abortion, homosexuality, divorce, etc.,” wrote CRA agent Dian Prodanov in an October 29th letter.</p>
<p>These “political” views make the church ineligible because, according to the agent, a registered charity “may only engage in non-partisan political activities as long as it devotes substantially all (usually 90% or more) of its resources to charitable activities.&#8221;</p>
<p>KGF&#8217;s pastor, Artur Pawlowski, is also the founder and pastor of Street Church Ministries, which has made headlines because of its battle with the city of Calgary to uphold its right to preach to and serve the city&#8217;s poor.</p>
<p>In December, a provincial court judge sided with Pawlowski and SCM, striking down several city infractions against them.  Further, the judge found that &#8220;the City&#8217;s attempts &#8230; to limit the scope of the efforts by the accused to minister to his congregants, fall precariously close to being excessive and, to any reasonable observer, an abuse of power.&#8221;</p>
<p>Prodanov cited numerous problems with KGF&#8217;s application, such as a lack of detail about various expenditures, but Pawlowski called these other reasons “smoke screens.”</p>
<p>“The main point is that they don&#8217;t like my opinions about different controversial issues, and I speak about them openly on radio, in paper, and on TV,” he said.  “So that&#8217;s what happens when you express your views as a pastor.”</p>
<p>“If they take the charity status away from a church, they are hoping that they are going to starve us to death in Canada, and therefore we will not be able to influence anyone,” he continued.  “That&#8217;s basically what happens.  That&#8217;s what they want to accomplish.  They want to muzzle us up.”</p>
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&lt;p&gt;I rarely mention this, but anyone wishing to contribute financially to our on-going ministry needs may do so &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;MM Outreach donations&quot; href=&quot;http://mmoutreach.org/order_macgregor_donations.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;on line her&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;MM Outreach donations&quot; href=&quot;http://mmoutreach.org/order_macgregor_donations.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;e&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;h3&gt;Calgary Church Loses Charity Status: Opposition to Abortion, Homosexuality Cited as Reasons&lt;/h3&gt;
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&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;By Patrick B. Craine&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CALGARY, Alberta, January 21, 2010 (&lt;a title=&quot;Lifesitenews.com&quot; href=&quot;http://www.lifesitenews.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;LifeSiteNews.com&lt;/a&gt;) - The Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) has revoked the charitable status of Kings Glory Fellowship (KGF), a Christian church in Calgary.  CRA cites a number of issues with KGF&amp;#8217;s application, but the decision is based, in part, on the ground that certain KGF Board members have spoken out strongly against abortion, and other moral issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8220;The members of the Board of Directors espouse strong negative views about sensitive and controversial issues, which may also be viewed as political, such as abortion, homosexuality, divorce, etc.,” wrote CRA agent Dian Prodanov in an October 29th letter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These “political” views make the church ineligible because, according to the agent, a registered charity “may only engage in non-partisan political activities as long as it devotes substantially all (usually 90% or more) of its resources to charitable activities.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KGF&amp;#8217;s pastor, Artur Pawlowski, is also the founder and pastor of Street Church Ministries, which has made headlines because of its battle with the city of Calgary to uphold its right to preach to and serve the city&amp;#8217;s poor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In December, a provincial court judge sided with Pawlowski and SCM, striking down several city infractions against them.  Further, the judge found that &amp;#8220;the City&amp;#8217;s attempts &amp;#8230; to limit the scope of the efforts by the accused to minister to his congregants, fall precariously close to being excessive and, to any reasonable observer, an abuse of power.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Prodanov cited numerous problems with KGF&amp;#8217;s application, such as a lack of detail about various expenditures, but Pawlowski called these other reasons “smoke screens.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The main point is that they don&amp;#8217;t like my opinions about different controversial issues, and I speak about them openly on radio, in paper, and on TV,” he said.  “So that&amp;#8217;s what happens when you express your views as a pastor.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“If they take the charity status away from a church, they are hoping that they are going to starve us to death in Canada, and therefore we will not be able to influence anyone,” he continued.  “That&amp;#8217;s basically what happens.  That&amp;#8217;s what they want to accomplish.  They want to muzzle us up.”&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Spiritual abuse recovery</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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Last year I blogged about Dr. Barb Orlowski&#8217;s research on spiritual abuse.  Barb contacted me during a time when I was going through a very difficult period in my own life and she was very helpful to me in both her active listening and in her own decision to contact the District church leaders that [...]]]></description>
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<p>Last year I blogged about Dr. Barb Orlowski&#8217;s <strong><a title="Recovering from Spiritual abuse on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz" href="http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2009/01/09/recovering-from-spiritual-abuse/" target="_blank">research on spiritual abuse</a></strong>.  Barb contacted me during a time when I was going through a very difficult period in my own life and she was very helpful to me in both her active listening and in her own decision to contact the District church leaders that she knew personally to act on our behalf.  Her intervention resulted in an investigation that dealt with the abusive situation.  While the cause of the abuse was ultimately removed, I had to privately go through my own grief and deep sorrow. I was raised as a preacher&#8217;s kid and had always seen the church as a place of safety. As a result of the spiritual abuse, the idea of church as a safe place was no longer that same place of safety to me.  Time does a great job of helping us heal, but I am not yet sure when I will come full circle and be back to where I started. Spiritual abuse is that devastating. I have never made any of the details public although I am currently working on a DVD project that is a result of the things I have learned as a direct result of the abusive situation I endured.  God certainly is able to work all things out for good to them that love Him and are called according to His purpose. What seemed like evil to us can and will be used for good by God who holds us in His hands.</p>
<p>Although I personally spent 16 years helping others who had been abused in various cults, mostly dealing with the hurt of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses who had lost family relationships as a result of their exiting the Watchtower organization, and their struggle with unlearning the cult doctrine and relearning the basics of Christianity to enable them to experience a real relationship with Christ, I had never before experienced spiritual abuse myself. I can now say by personal experience that it is devastating both physically and emotionally and I know many who experience spiritual abuse find themselves suffering spiritual devastation as well. Last year I was completely covered with red welts from the stress of the situation and the diagnosis for me was that the welts would be a permanent affliction that I would have to suffer due to the stress of the spiritual abuse. But praise God He knows how to heal and after months of suffering I was given a medication that really helped and I no longer have any marks on my body from what I went through.</p>
<p>The issue of spiritual abuse has come up once again as Barb Orlowski has recently contacted me that her book on this subject called &#8220;Spiritual Abuse Recovery Dynamic Research on Finding a Place of Wholeness&#8221; is complete and can be obtained through her by emailling her at <strong><a href="mailto:info@churchexiters.com" target="_blank">info@churchexiters.com</a>. </strong> I understand that she has access to the sale of these books right now if anyone contacts her directly. Barb&#8217;s web site is <a title="Church exiters by Barb Orlowski" href="http://churchexiters.com" target="_blank"><strong>churchexiters.com</strong></a> and people can also request an autographed copy from Barb.  Below is a description of Barb&#8217;s book and the endorsements that she has received:</p>
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<p>What factors contribute to active Christians in ministry leaving their church and becoming exiting statistics? Every year dedicated Christian people leave churches because of spiritual abuse. The stories of people who left their home church because of a negative and hurtful experience paint a picture of a widespread occurrence which beckons consideration by church leaders and church congregants alike.</p>
<p>Spiritual abuse, the misuse of spiritual authority to maltreat followers in the Christian Church, is a complex issue. This book shows how people processed their grief after experiencing spiritual abuse in their local church and how they rediscovered spiritual harmony. Theirspiritual journey shows how one may grow through this devastating experience.</p>
<p>This book offers a thoughtful look at the topic of spiritual recovery from clergy abuse through the eyes of those who have experienced it. It invites church leaders to consider this very real dysfunction in the Church today and aims to demonstrate a path forward to greater freedom in Christ after a season of disillusionment with church leadership.</p>
<p><strong>Endorsements for Back Cover</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In an age of increasing calls for strong church leadership, this book is a gift to church leaders and those who have been severely hurt and abused in our churches. Through careful research and an insider&#8217;s perspective, Barb has opened up both pathways for healing from church abuse and insights for leadership to ensure that potential future abuse is stopped.&#8221;</p>
<p>—Alan Jamieson, author of A Churchless Faith</p>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;What we refer to as spiritual abuse was a concern for Jesus in his earthly ministry and it is a common problem today. It is, therefore, surprising that more attention is not given to it by today&#8217;s Christian community. Barb Orlowski, however, does take it seriously as she offers insight into the causes of bad church experiences and how to recover from them. Her counsel alerts people to the dangers ofspiritual abuse, and if leaders hear her, they will be less likely to become part of the problem . . . I encourage you to read it.&#8221;</p>
<p>—Ken Blue, author of Healing Spiritual Abuse</p>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;Dr. Orlowski&#8217;s research has provided a balance for various perspectives on the experience of woundedness. She listens to the voices of the wounded and lets them inform us of their reality of feeling disappointment and disenfranchisement, tragedy and turbulence in the Church . . . For recovery, Dr. Orlowski gives an excellent starting point—the voice of the wounded—and follows that with the grace of God demonstrated through hearing the voice of God and basing recovery on the Word of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>—Kirk E. Farnsworth, author of Wounded Workers</p>
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&lt;p&gt;Last year I blogged about Dr. Barb Orlowski&amp;#8217;s &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;Recovering from Spiritual abuse on Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz&quot; href=&quot;http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2009/01/09/recovering-from-spiritual-abuse/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;research on spiritual abuse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.  Barb contacted me during a time when I was going through a very difficult period in my own life and she was very helpful to me in both her active listening and in her own decision to contact the District church leaders that she knew personally to act on our behalf.  Her intervention resulted in an investigation that dealt with the abusive situation.  While the cause of the abuse was ultimately removed, I had to privately go through my own grief and deep sorrow. I was raised as a preacher&amp;#8217;s kid and had always seen the church as a place of safety. As a result of the spiritual abuse, the idea of church as a safe place was no longer that same place of safety to me.  Time does a great job of helping us heal, but I am not yet sure when I will come full circle and be back to where I started. Spiritual abuse is that devastating. I have never made any of the details public although I am currently working on a DVD project that is a result of the things I have learned as a direct result of the abusive situation I endured.  God certainly is able to work all things out for good to them that love Him and are called according to His purpose. What seemed like evil to us can and will be used for good by God who holds us in His hands.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Although I personally spent 16 years helping others who had been abused in various cults, mostly dealing with the hurt of Jehovah&amp;#8217;s Witnesses who had lost family relationships as a result of their exiting the Watchtower organization, and their struggle with unlearning the cult doctrine and relearning the basics of Christianity to enable them to experience a real relationship with Christ, I had never before experienced spiritual abuse myself. I can now say by personal experience that it is devastating both physically and emotionally and I know many who experience spiritual abuse find themselves suffering spiritual devastation as well. Last year I was completely covered with red welts from the stress of the situation and the diagnosis for me was that the welts would be a permanent affliction that I would have to suffer due to the stress of the spiritual abuse. But praise God He knows how to heal and after months of suffering I was given a medication that really helped and I no longer have any marks on my body from what I went through.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The issue of spiritual abuse has come up once again as Barb Orlowski has recently contacted me that her book on this subject called &amp;#8220;Spiritual Abuse Recovery Dynamic Research on Finding a Place of Wholeness&amp;#8221; is complete and can be obtained through her by emailling her at &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:info@churchexiters.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;info@churchexiters.com&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/strong&gt; I understand that she has access to the sale of these books right now if anyone contacts her directly. Barb&amp;#8217;s web site is &lt;a title=&quot;Church exiters by Barb Orlowski&quot; href=&quot;http://churchexiters.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;churchexiters.com&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and people can also request an autographed copy from Barb.  Below is a description of Barb&amp;#8217;s book and the endorsements that she has received:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Book Description&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What factors contribute to active Christians in ministry leaving their church and becoming exiting statistics? Every year dedicated Christian people leave churches because of spiritual abuse. The stories of people who left their home church because of a negative and hurtful experience paint a picture of a widespread occurrence which beckons consideration by church leaders and church congregants alike.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Spiritual abuse, the misuse of spiritual authority to maltreat followers in the Christian Church, is a complex issue. This book shows how people processed their grief after experiencing spiritual abuse in their local church and how they rediscovered spiritual harmony. Theirspiritual journey shows how one may grow through this devastating experience.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This book offers a thoughtful look at the topic of spiritual recovery from clergy abuse through the eyes of those who have experienced it. It invites church leaders to consider this very real dysfunction in the Church today and aims to demonstrate a path forward to greater freedom in Christ after a season of disillusionment with church leadership.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Endorsements for Back Cover&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8220;In an age of increasing calls for strong church leadership, this book is a gift to church leaders and those who have been severely hurt and abused in our churches. Through careful research and an insider&amp;#8217;s perspective, Barb has opened up both pathways for healing from church abuse and insights for leadership to ensure that potential future abuse is stopped.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;—Alan Jamieson, author of A Churchless Faith&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8220;What we refer to as spiritual abuse was a concern for Jesus in his earthly ministry and it is a common problem today. It is, therefore, surprising that more attention is not given to it by today&amp;#8217;s Christian community. Barb Orlowski, however, does take it seriously as she offers insight into the causes of bad church experiences and how to recover from them. Her counsel alerts people to the dangers ofspiritual abuse, and if leaders hear her, they will be less likely to become part of the problem . . . I encourage you to read it.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;—Ken Blue, author of Healing Spiritual Abuse&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8220;Dr. Orlowski&amp;#8217;s research has provided a balance for various perspectives on the experience of woundedness. She listens to the voices of the wounded and lets them inform us of their reality of feeling disappointment and disenfranchisement, tragedy and turbulence in the Church . . . For recovery, Dr. Orlowski gives an excellent starting point—the voice of the wounded—and follows that with the grace of God demonstrated through hearing the voice of God and basing recovery on the Word of God.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;—Kirk E. Farnsworth, author of Wounded Workers&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>WIM blog picked as one of the top 55 Pastor Bloggers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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I have been notified that my Women in Ministry blog has been picked as one of the top 55 pastor bloggers on the online Christian Colleges web site here.  My blog is listed up women pastors.  Also my blog has been picked up as a bibiloblog by biblioblogtop50.wordpress.com and this biblio blog site.  It is [...]]]></description>
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<p>I have been notified that my Women in Ministry blog has been picked as one of the top 55 pastor bloggers on the online Christian Colleges web site <strong><a title="Top 55 pastor bloggers" href="http://onlinechristiancolleges.net/top-55-pastor-bloggers/" target="_blank">here</a></strong>.  My blog is listed up women pastors.  Also my blog has been picked up as a bibiloblog by <a title="Biblio blog top 50" href="http://biblioblogtop50.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/biblioblog-top-50-november-2009/" target="_blank">biblioblogtop50.wordpress.com</a> and this <a title="Biblio blog listings" href="http://www.freeoldtestamentaudio.com/Blog/New.php/?p=1307" target="_blank">biblio blog site</a>.  It is nice to see that the issue of women in ministry has received notice.</p>
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I have a great concern tonight for my Pastor. Pastor Jim Reimer and two of our worship team along with a group of teens from our local high school flew into Haiti around noon today.  They were intending a two week ministry trip. The devastating earthquake struck Haiti around 5 pm.

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<p>I have a great concern tonight for my Pastor. Pastor Jim Reimer and two of our worship team along with a group of teens from our local high school flew into Haiti around noon today.  They were intending a two week ministry trip. The devastating earthquake struck Haiti around 5 pm.</p>
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<p>We are praying for pastor Jim and the team not knowing what has happened to them and whether they are safe or not.  Please join with me to pray for God&#8217;s protection on these members of the body of Christ during this very difficult time.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1781" title="Kootenay Christian Fellowship team and High School youth" src="https://strivetoenter.com/wim/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/kootenay-team.jpg" alt="Kootenay Christian Fellowship team and High School youth" width="525" height="349" /></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">**Update Jan 13th 2010**The news media has reported that the team made it two hours away from the airport before the earthquake hit and everyone is safe.  We will continue to pray for our pastor and the team that they will be greatly used in their mission and will make it home safely.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">**Update January 15, 2010** An email from Pastor Jim came through.</p>
<blockquote><p style="text-align: left;">From Pastor Jim:</p>
<p>Today is January 15<br />
 We started the day with a large tremor at 4 am. It shook our shelter and sent the kids running. To be awakened in this manner was quite scary. It is now 8:40 am and as I was typing that sentence, another good quake came. It suddenly struck me as funny, I never even moved from my seat. It is amazing how quickly one adapts to the situation. We have been experiencing these tremors about one every 90 minutes. Each one is lesser or greater intensity. None though, with the force of the first one.</p>
<p>We are camped out under a tin roof, Poll barn type structure, which serves as their church building. It has no walls and is about 48 x100 feet in area. It has a ground floor. Kids are all sleeping in a row on the ground. We used sheets of plywood for ground cover. We risked entering the main house to retrieve mattresses and all our supplies on Wednesday.</p>
<p>They are asking no one to go back into the houses until the tremors stop. Each day since Wednesday they say “tomorrow” it will be safe. People are sleeping everywhere. Last night we had about a hundred stay on our compound. Not as many are here as in other places as this place has many trees and the locals are afraid of the trees falling on them in the event of another quake.</p>
<p>We went on a walk about today. Saw home after home levelled. The people had nothing, now they have even less. The proposed goat farm wall that was half built is all down. The wall around the compound is mostly down, and that what is standing has to be taken down and started over again. It would cost 50,000 dollars to rebuild the compound wall. The rebuilding of these walls is necessary to continue the mission here for safety and security reasons.</p>
<p>To see the devastation is one thing, to hear of the loss of life compounds the sense of loss exponentially. One can hardly imagine how these folks will have hope and courage to move forward.  There is no employment to go out and make money. The little food they had is now gone as well. The kids were moved by the situation and immediately emptied their pockets to buy rice. We raised 2500 dollars with the group. It will purchase 4000 pounds of rice. We are going to distribute it to the families this afternoon.</p>
<p>The goat farm is only two acres, which mistakenly thought was 10 acres. This plot of land will house about fifty goats. It has its own well and will be irrigated from it. There is another plot of land adjacent to this plot for sale. It would be prudent to purchase it, but Marc did not know the cost.</p>
<p>There is a ten acre lot in another location dedicated for an orphanage. The need for an orphanage has increased dramatically now. The last report we heard that 700,000 people have died. We can not substantiate this amount, but constantly we hear of someone who lost a family member or a friend.</p>
<p>Carla Jadue and Veronica Bocca both from Chile arrived on Jan 10 to holiday here. They were rescued by the Chilean government on January 15 by helicopter. It was emotional to see them go.</p>
<p>We know have just returned from distributing food. One of the students said, “each day it is getting better for me, this experience has changed my life for ever. When I get home I am going to fund raise for these people.” This was said, as we were leaving from distributing rice, riding in the back of a police truck with fourteen of us piled in there. The line never ended; when the rice did, it broke our heart.</p>
<p>When we got back to Haiti Arise, we got more bad news. During the confusion of Tuesday night’s earthquake someone came into the unsecured house and stole 10,000 US. This was money set aside for food for our team and their staff.</p>
<p>It is hard to come to terms with the depravity of human nature in the light of a disaster. Suddenly the price of rice increased, diesel prices jump, the Haitian dollar is worth less, and neighbours loot neighbours houses. One man reported that people were stepping over his dead wife while they looted his house.</p>
<p>But then, we see the other side. In the community of Grand Goave people lives are being changed and impacted through the generosity of people like Marc and Lisa Honorat, founders of Haiti Arise and people all around the world supporting their ministry.</p>
<p>Information is so sketchy here. One of the individuals John Louis Meloche was in touch with is daughter who works for Air Canada. She contacted Mrs. L’heureux who is a Minster of Foreign Affairs in Quebec. She reported that Foreign Affairs did not know about us.  We thought the information was out that we need to be evacuated.</p>
<p>Everyone is still healthy here, except for Sue. She is still in a lot of pain and should be seen by a doctor</p>
<p>Jim Reimer, Pastor of Kootenay Christian Fellowship.</p>
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<p>**Update January 17th, 2010**  The team has now been rescued from the mission&#8217;s compound and is in the Canadian Embassy in Port-au-Prince Haiti.  Latest news reported by <a title="Military rescues stranded teens, chaperones from remote Haitian town" href="http://www.canada.com/news/Military+rescue+mission+begins+teens+Haiti/2451655/story.html" target="_blank"><strong>Jorge Barrera, Canwest News Service on Canada.Com</strong></a></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-weight: normal;">**Update January 17, 2010** The team is now on their way to Montreal and should arrive tonight.  They will be flown back to BC on Monday.</span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-weight: normal;">What a wonderful ending for all their loved ones here.  We will be very happy to get back our pastor and several of our worship team.  Thank you LORD!</span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-weight: normal;">**Update January 18** The Kootenay team was unable to all get on the same plan leaving Haiti so Pastor Jim and worship team will take a plane home to BC tomorrow with all the team together.</span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-weight: normal;">**Update January 19th** Pastor Jim and the team are on a flight from Montreal.</span></strong></p>
<p>As of 9 pm BC time they are all home safe.  Praise the Lord!</p>
<p>**One final update on January 21, 2010 - below is Pastor Jim&#8217;s letter regarding his time in Haiti during the earthquake:</p>
<blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>I want to express my heartfelt thanks and appreciation for the many calls, emails, prayers and expressions of love towards me and my family while the team was in Haiti. I am humbled and give praise to God that our team of 24 people was spared death and serious injury in light of the earthquake we experienced.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>It is good to be home, but I feel undeserving considering how much I have and how little so many people in the world have, especially in Haiti right now.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>As you know, Kootenay Christian Fellowship (KCF) initiated a mission to Haiti which was supported by the Nelson Daybreak Rotary Club and Mount Sentinel School. Our Haiti team was made up of two groups.  One was from the school, directed by Don Warthe, teacher at Mount Sentinel, two adult chaperones, and seventeen students from the Quest for Community. The second group was made up of one couple from KCF and two Pastors; Doug Middlebrook from Kootenay Lake Community Church and Jim Reimer from KCF.  Together we formed the group of 24.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>We went to Haiti with the intention to drill a well for the community, build a goat farm, to teach in the technical school, participate in the graduating ceremonies of this year’s graduates, and to be a blessing generally to the Haitian people by giving out clothes, school and dental supplies. With great anticipation of what we were going to accomplish, we arrived at Haiti Arise on Tuesday, January 12, at 4 pm. We eagerly filed into the house with our 20 containers of gifts, materials and luggage. Then just 53 minutes later we experienced the most life changing event of our lives; a 7.0 earthquake. The building rocked, sending all of us to the floor. Miraculously the house did not collapse like every other home in the area. Not only were we spared death, but despite falling articles in the house only one of us experienced injury. Sue, one of the adult chaperones, suffered a cracked rib from a falling mirror.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>We escaped the mission house and sought higher ground. Just imagine the trauma the students and adults felt – strange land, no orientation to our surroundings, can’t understand the language, hundreds of people streaming into the field, with darkness closing in on us. We spent the night in that open field with aftershocks of various degrees rocking the earth every twenty minutes. Adding to our misery, a light rain descending upon us.  The Haitian people sharing our space sent up a chorus of prayers, shouts of praise, and cries of anguish with each aftershock experienced. They would sing, clap and shout their petitions to the God of heaven until the sun broke through. It was both comforting and disquieting.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>When morning finally came, we were comforted somewhat by the warmth of the sun. We decided to go back to the compound of Haiti Arise. There we set up our refuge camp and lived until our rescue by the Canadian Army. As the days continued, more and more people joined our makeshift camp. We were happy to share our food and water supplies with our new guests.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>Communication was difficult and accurate information was hard to obtain. But eyewitness evidence was clear – almost every house in the rural area we occupied was flattened. Many locals reported deaths in the family. Devastation was everywhere.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>The timing of the earthquake (4:53 pm) was fortunate in that most people in the rural area where not in their homes. Had it happened in the middle of the night, the death toll could easily have been tripled.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>While in Haiti, the students helped clear roads, bought rice and distributed it to over 500 families, and assisted in the refuge camp with various chores. In addition, our group offered prayers of comfort and a listening ear to those suffering human and physical loss.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>Haiti Arise is to be commended. As a mission they have a commitment to excellence. The mission house we were in withstood the quake and thus we were all spared death. This is a testimony to the quality of work Haiti Arise is committed to. They have a goal to help Haitians become self-sufficient and a spiritually and physically healthy community of people.  Haiti Arise supports students in their quest for education by operating a technical school for 400 students and a Bible school.  They also provide medical and dental help for locals. Their recent project to create a goat farm was just one more example of their programs to offer sustainability for locals. Future goals included an orphanage and elementary school. The latter goal is even more urgent now than ever before.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>Haiti Arise is a registered charity in Canada and thus donations to this ministry are eligible for the matched dollars by the Canadian Government. Donations to local groups, like Haiti Arise, will be an efficient method to bring immediate help to the locals. Immediate needs are to develop security, distribute food and water to the locals, and then the creation of a plan to help the locals achieve suitable housing again. We need to have a qualified engineer to ascertain the damage to the buildings at Haiti Arise to see if they have been compromised.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>Contributions can be made directly to Haiti Arise by going to their website at <a href="http://www.haitiarise.org/" target="_blank">www.haitiarise.org</a> or by going to <a href="http://www.kootenaychristianfellowship.com/" target="_blank">www.kootenaychristianfellowship.com</a>.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>Tomorrow, Friday, January 22, Marc and Lisa, founders of Haiti Arise, will be interviewed on the CTV morning show at 7:15am across Canada in every province.</span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>Once again to all those who have donated to KCF to help Haitians, offered prayers, and called our home to offer support, a heartfelt, huge and thunderous thanks. We love you all.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span>Pastor Jim, humbled and grateful earthquake survivor.</span></span></p>
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&lt;p&gt;I have a great concern tonight for my Pastor. Pastor Jim Reimer and two of our worship team along with a group of teens from our local high school flew into Haiti around noon today.  They were intending a two week ministry trip. The devastating earthquake struck Haiti around 5 pm.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;We are praying for pastor Jim and the team not knowing what has happened to them and whether they are safe or not.  Please join with me to pray for God&amp;#8217;s protection on these members of the body of Christ during this very difficult time.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;**Update Jan 13th 2010**The news media has reported that the team made it two hours away from the airport before the earthquake hit and everyone is safe.  We will continue to pray for our pastor and the team that they will be greatly used in their mission and will make it home safely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;**Update January 15, 2010** An email from Pastor Jim came through.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;From Pastor Jim:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Today is January 15&lt;br /&gt;
 We started the day with a large tremor at 4 am. It shook our shelter and sent the kids running. To be awakened in this manner was quite scary. It is now 8:40 am and as I was typing that sentence, another good quake came. It suddenly struck me as funny, I never even moved from my seat. It is amazing how quickly one adapts to the situation. We have been experiencing these tremors about one every 90 minutes. Each one is lesser or greater intensity. None though, with the force of the first one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are camped out under a tin roof, Poll barn type structure, which serves as their church building. It has no walls and is about 48 x100 feet in area. It has a ground floor. Kids are all sleeping in a row on the ground. We used sheets of plywood for ground cover. We risked entering the main house to retrieve mattresses and all our supplies on Wednesday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They are asking no one to go back into the houses until the tremors stop. Each day since Wednesday they say “tomorrow” it will be safe. People are sleeping everywhere. Last night we had about a hundred stay on our compound. Not as many are here as in other places as this place has many trees and the locals are afraid of the trees falling on them in the event of another quake.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We went on a walk about today. Saw home after home levelled. The people had nothing, now they have even less. The proposed goat farm wall that was half built is all down. The wall around the compound is mostly down, and that what is standing has to be taken down and started over again. It would cost 50,000 dollars to rebuild the compound wall. The rebuilding of these walls is necessary to continue the mission here for safety and security reasons.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To see the devastation is one thing, to hear of the loss of life compounds the sense of loss exponentially. One can hardly imagine how these folks will have hope and courage to move forward.  There is no employment to go out and make money. The little food they had is now gone as well. The kids were moved by the situation and immediately emptied their pockets to buy rice. We raised 2500 dollars with the group. It will purchase 4000 pounds of rice. We are going to distribute it to the families this afternoon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The goat farm is only two acres, which mistakenly thought was 10 acres. This plot of land will house about fifty goats. It has its own well and will be irrigated from it. There is another plot of land adjacent to this plot for sale. It would be prudent to purchase it, but Marc did not know the cost.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a ten acre lot in another location dedicated for an orphanage. The need for an orphanage has increased dramatically now. The last report we heard that 700,000 people have died. We can not substantiate this amount, but constantly we hear of someone who lost a family member or a friend.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Carla Jadue and Veronica Bocca both from Chile arrived on Jan 10 to holiday here. They were rescued by the Chilean government on January 15 by helicopter. It was emotional to see them go.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We know have just returned from distributing food. One of the students said, “each day it is getting better for me, this experience has changed my life for ever. When I get home I am going to fund raise for these people.” This was said, as we were leaving from distributing rice, riding in the back of a police truck with fourteen of us piled in there. The line never ended; when the rice did, it broke our heart.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When we got back to Haiti Arise, we got more bad news. During the confusion of Tuesday night’s earthquake someone came into the unsecured house and stole 10,000 US. This was money set aside for food for our team and their staff.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is hard to come to terms with the depravity of human nature in the light of a disaster. Suddenly the price of rice increased, diesel prices jump, the Haitian dollar is worth less, and neighbours loot neighbours houses. One man reported that people were stepping over his dead wife while they looted his house.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But then, we see the other side. In the community of Grand Goave people lives are being changed and impacted through the generosity of people like Marc and Lisa Honorat, founders of Haiti Arise and people all around the world supporting their ministry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Information is so sketchy here. One of the individuals John Louis Meloche was in touch with is daughter who works for Air Canada. She contacted Mrs. L’heureux who is a Minster of Foreign Affairs in Quebec. She reported that Foreign Affairs did not know about us.  We thought the information was out that we need to be evacuated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everyone is still healthy here, except for Sue. She is still in a lot of pain and should be seen by a doctor&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jim Reimer, Pastor of Kootenay Christian Fellowship.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;**Update January 17th, 2010**  The team has now been rescued from the mission&amp;#8217;s compound and is in the Canadian Embassy in Port-au-Prince Haiti.  Latest news reported by &lt;a title=&quot;Military rescues stranded teens, chaperones from remote Haitian town&quot; href=&quot;http://www.canada.com/news/Military+rescue+mission+begins+teens+Haiti/2451655/story.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jorge Barrera, Canwest News Service on Canada.Com&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;**Update January 17, 2010** The team is now on their way to Montreal and should arrive tonight.  They will be flown back to BC on Monday.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;What a wonderful ending for all their loved ones here.  We will be very happy to get back our pastor and several of our worship team.  Thank you LORD!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;**Update January 18** The Kootenay team was unable to all get on the same plan leaving Haiti so Pastor Jim and worship team will take a plane home to BC tomorrow with all the team together.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;**Update January 19th** Pastor Jim and the team are on a flight from Montreal.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As of 9 pm BC time they are all home safe.  Praise the Lord!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;**One final update on January 21, 2010 - below is Pastor Jim&amp;#8217;s letter regarding his time in Haiti during the earthquake:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;I want to express my heartfelt thanks and appreciation for the many calls, emails, prayers and expressions of love towards me and my family while the team was in Haiti. I am humbled and give praise to God that our team of 24 people was spared death and serious injury in light of the earthquake we experienced.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;It is good to be home, but I feel undeserving considering how much I have and how little so many people in the world have, especially in Haiti right now.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;As you know, Kootenay Christian Fellowship (KCF) initiated a mission to Haiti which was supported by the Nelson Daybreak Rotary Club and Mount Sentinel School. Our Haiti team was made up of two groups.  One was from the school, directed by Don Warthe, teacher at Mount Sentinel, two adult chaperones, and seventeen students from the Quest for Community. The second group was made up of one couple from KCF and two Pastors; Doug Middlebrook from Kootenay Lake Community Church and Jim Reimer from KCF.  Together we formed the group of 24.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;We went to Haiti with the intention to drill a well for the community, build a goat farm, to teach in the technical school, participate in the graduating ceremonies of this year’s graduates, and to be a blessing generally to the Haitian people by giving out clothes, school and dental supplies. With great anticipation of what we were going to accomplish, we arrived at Haiti Arise on Tuesday, January 12, at 4 pm. We eagerly filed into the house with our 20 containers of gifts, materials and luggage. Then just 53 minutes later we experienced the most life changing event of our lives; a 7.0 earthquake. The building rocked, sending all of us to the floor. Miraculously the house did not collapse like every other home in the area. Not only were we spared death, but despite falling articles in the house only one of us experienced injury. Sue, one of the adult chaperones, suffered a cracked rib from a falling mirror.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;We escaped the mission house and sought higher ground. Just imagine the trauma the students and adults felt – strange land, no orientation to our surroundings, can’t understand the language, hundreds of people streaming into the field, with darkness closing in on us. We spent the night in that open field with aftershocks of various degrees rocking the earth every twenty minutes. Adding to our misery, a light rain descending upon us.  The Haitian people sharing our space sent up a chorus of prayers, shouts of praise, and cries of anguish with each aftershock experienced. They would sing, clap and shout their petitions to the God of heaven until the sun broke through. It was both comforting and disquieting.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;When morning finally came, we were comforted somewhat by the warmth of the sun. We decided to go back to the compound of Haiti Arise. There we set up our refuge camp and lived until our rescue by the Canadian Army. As the days continued, more and more people joined our makeshift camp. We were happy to share our food and water supplies with our new guests.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;Communication was difficult and accurate information was hard to obtain. But eyewitness evidence was clear – almost every house in the rural area we occupied was flattened. Many locals reported deaths in the family. Devastation was everywhere.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;The timing of the earthquake (4:53 pm) was fortunate in that most people in the rural area where not in their homes. Had it happened in the middle of the night, the death toll could easily have been tripled.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;While in Haiti, the students helped clear roads, bought rice and distributed it to over 500 families, and assisted in the refuge camp with various chores. In addition, our group offered prayers of comfort and a listening ear to those suffering human and physical loss.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;Haiti Arise is to be commended. As a mission they have a commitment to excellence. The mission house we were in withstood the quake and thus we were all spared death. This is a testimony to the quality of work Haiti Arise is committed to. They have a goal to help Haitians become self-sufficient and a spiritually and physically healthy community of people.  Haiti Arise supports students in their quest for education by operating a technical school for 400 students and a Bible school.  They also provide medical and dental help for locals. Their recent project to create a goat farm was just one more example of their programs to offer sustainability for locals. Future goals included an orphanage and elementary school. The latter goal is even more urgent now than ever before.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;Haiti Arise is a registered charity in Canada and thus donations to this ministry are eligible for the matched dollars by the Canadian Government. Donations to local groups, like Haiti Arise, will be an efficient method to bring immediate help to the locals. Immediate needs are to develop security, distribute food and water to the locals, and then the creation of a plan to help the locals achieve suitable housing again. We need to have a qualified engineer to ascertain the damage to the buildings at Haiti Arise to see if they have been compromised.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;Contributions can be made directly to Haiti Arise by going to their website at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haitiarise.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.haitiarise.org&lt;/a&gt; or by going to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kootenaychristianfellowship.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.kootenaychristianfellowship.com&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;Tomorrow, Friday, January 22, Marc and Lisa, founders of Haiti Arise, will be interviewed on the CTV morning show at 7:15am across Canada in every province.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;Once again to all those who have donated to KCF to help Haitians, offered prayers, and called our home to offer support, a heartfelt, huge and thunderous thanks. We love you all.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;Pastor Jim, humbled and grateful earthquake survivor.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Paul&#8217;s use of &#8220;I am not allowing&#8221; in 1 Timothy 2:12 has caused a lot of speculation regarding his reasons for disallowing certain activities. In this post we are going to look at this phrase very carefully.</p>
<p>The first thing that we can note is that Paul is not appealing to an existing law.  Paul does not say &#8220;God&#8217;s law is not allowing&#8221; as if God had already set up a law that restrained women from using their spiritual gifts.  Paul also does not say &#8220;God does not allow you to let a woman&#8230; &#8221; as if Timothy is under a law that he may have been disobeying.  What Paul clearly says is &#8220;I am not allowing&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What is even more curious is that there is no other verse in the entire Scripture like this one.  Nowhere does a man of God state that he doesn&#8217;t allow something. God&#8217;s prohibitions are never put in the personal will of the man of God. They are always by God&#8217;s authority. So why did Paul use his own authority in 1 Timothy 2:12?</p>
<p>In 1 Timothy Paul tells Timothy &#8216;you do it&#8217; a number of times.  In chapter 1 verse 3 Paul tells Timothy to instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines.  In chapter 5 verse 11 Paul commands Timothy to refuse to put younger widows on the widows list lest they later desire to marry and in chapter 5 verse 19 Paul commands Timothy not to receive an accusation against an elder except for the required two or three witnesses.  In chapter 5 verse 20 Timothy is commanded to rebuke an elder who continues to sin and in chapter 6 verse 17 Paul commands Timothy to instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited.</p>
<p>So why doesn&#8217;t Paul continue his pattern of commanding Timothy to &#8220;do&#8221; things and instead Paul lifts up his own authority in 1 Timothy 2:12 saying &#8220;I am not allowing&#8221;?  May I suggest that Paul is giving his own apostolic authority to Timothy to act in a very sensitive situation.</p>
<p>Timothy was a young man who in his youthfulness would have had a difficult time going past another man&#8217;s wife in order to stop her from teaching. In that culture a man&#8217;s home and family was his own responsibility alone. If you were going to deal with a man&#8217;s wife, you needed to go through the husband. But if the man of verse 12 was another &#8220;Adam&#8221; character who was saying and doing nothing about his wife&#8217;s deception, who could interfere? Paul could.</p>
<p>In the church Paul had the apostolic authority to go around the husband to stop the deception and false teaching of the wife.  By Paul saying &#8220;I am not allowing&#8221; Paul is giving his authority to Timothy to act on his behalf in one of the most uncomfortable tasks that Timothy had to accomplish. It was one thing to command the false teachers to cease and desist and to publicly rebuke elders who will not stop sinning, but how does this single young man rebuke another man&#8217;s wife? Paul takes the heat off of Timothy by making this one task a little easier by providing Timothy with the use of Paul&#8217;s authority. Paul is not allowing&#8230;</p>
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&lt;p&gt;Paul&amp;#8217;s use of &amp;#8220;I am not allowing&amp;#8221; in 1 Timothy 2:12 has caused a lot of speculation regarding his reasons for disallowing certain activities. In this post we are going to look at this phrase very carefully.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The first thing that we can note is that Paul is not appealing to an existing law.  Paul does not say &amp;#8220;God&amp;#8217;s law is not allowing&amp;#8221; as if God had already set up a law that restrained women from using their spiritual gifts.  Paul also does not say &amp;#8220;God does not allow you to let a woman&amp;#8230; &amp;#8221; as if Timothy is under a law that he may have been disobeying.  What Paul clearly says is &amp;#8220;I am not allowing&amp;#8230;&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is even more curious is that there is no other verse in the entire Scripture like this one.  Nowhere does a man of God state that he doesn&amp;#8217;t allow something. God&amp;#8217;s prohibitions are never put in the personal will of the man of God. They are always by God&amp;#8217;s authority. So why did Paul use his own authority in 1 Timothy 2:12?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In 1 Timothy Paul tells Timothy &amp;#8216;you do it&amp;#8217; a number of times.  In chapter 1 verse 3 Paul tells Timothy to instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines.  In chapter 5 verse 11 Paul commands Timothy to refuse to put younger widows on the widows list lest they later desire to marry and in chapter 5 verse 19 Paul commands Timothy not to receive an accusation against an elder except for the required two or three witnesses.  In chapter 5 verse 20 Timothy is commanded to rebuke an elder who continues to sin and in chapter 6 verse 17 Paul commands Timothy to instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So why doesn&amp;#8217;t Paul continue his pattern of commanding Timothy to &amp;#8220;do&amp;#8221; things and instead Paul lifts up his own authority in 1 Timothy 2:12 saying &amp;#8220;I am not allowing&amp;#8221;?  May I suggest that Paul is giving his own apostolic authority to Timothy to act in a very sensitive situation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Timothy was a young man who in his youthfulness would have had a difficult time going past another man&amp;#8217;s wife in order to stop her from teaching. In that culture a man&amp;#8217;s home and family was his own responsibility alone. If you were going to deal with a man&amp;#8217;s wife, you needed to go through the husband. But if the man of verse 12 was another &amp;#8220;Adam&amp;#8221; character who was saying and doing nothing about his wife&amp;#8217;s deception, who could interfere? Paul could.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the church Paul had the apostolic authority to go around the husband to stop the deception and false teaching of the wife.  By Paul saying &amp;#8220;I am not allowing&amp;#8221; Paul is giving his authority to Timothy to act on his behalf in one of the most uncomfortable tasks that Timothy had to accomplish. It was one thing to command the false teachers to cease and desist and to publicly rebuke elders who will not stop sinning, but how does this single young man rebuke another man&amp;#8217;s wife? Paul takes the heat off of Timothy by making this one task a little easier by providing Timothy with the use of Paul&amp;#8217;s authority. Paul is not allowing&amp;#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>At the first Christmas, God was pleased to come through a woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Schatz</dc:creator>
		
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<p>While there are many who say that women cannot receive from God that which will benefit men as they believe that all wisdom that God has for mankind must come through the agency of a man, may I remind us today that the Wisdom of God - God Himself came into the world through a woman. The vessel that He used that was meant to bring benefit to all of mankind through the good news of the gospel in the face of the Savior, was a lowly servant who was a woman.</p>
<p>There are some today who refuse to accept God&#8217;s gift that comes through a woman. Their pride will not allow them to benefit from anything that they believe is beneath them.  They practice hardening their hearts because they do not want to see and do not want to hear what originates from a woman. God cannot use a woman to preach and teach the gospel to the church, they say, because God is pleased to limit Himself to only men who by virtue of their maleness are fit to receive God&#8217;s special gifts that equip only males as teachers and gentle shepherds of God&#8217;s people. To them God&#8217;s best is always a man. God&#8217;s best is the wisdom of a man. God&#8217;s best is the strength of a man. To them God cannot and will not use what is foolish or weak or insignificant, inferior, common or despised.   God limits His work through the chosen gender who are the physically and spiritually &#8220;strong&#8221; ones and God surely sanctions male pride because He created them as first class citizens of the kingdom.  Is it not the complementarian message that it is through males alone that God can fully express Himself in wisdom, power and leadership?</p>
<p>But God has a surprise. God does not work that way.</p>
<blockquote><p>1 Cor 1:27  but God has chosen the <strong><em>foolish things</em></strong> of the world <strong><em>to shame the wise</em></strong>, and God has chosen the <strong><em>weak things</em></strong> of the world <strong><em>to shame the things which are strong</em></strong>,</p>
<p>1 Cor 1:28  and the <strong><em>base things</em></strong> of the world and <strong><em>the despised God has chosen</em></strong>, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,</p>
<p>1 Cor 1:29  so that no man may boast before God.</p>
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<p>God has selected for Himself the rejected. He has chosen to represent Himself by those who are despised and who are looked down on as insignificant and inferior. God is pleased to use them for His glory.</p>
<p>Those who harbor a pride because of their gender are set up for shame. God will bypass them and use the ones who are considered weak and who have suffered disdain, scorn, contempt and rejection.</p>
<p>Where will you stand this Christmas? Will you lift up the male gender as the privileged ones? Or will you look past what is on the outside and see the precious gift of God that lives within many apparently weak vessels?</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1762" title="Receive from God, Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz" src="https://strivetoenter.com/wim/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/christmas-girl.jpg" alt="Receive from God, Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz" width="267" height="400" /></p>
<p>God has a gift this season which is available to those who will humbly receive. Will you accept God&#8217;s best gift as it is offered to you from those who has been rejected and despised by men? Or will you turn your back on God&#8217;s way and follow the way of the proud and the strong by saying that you do not need such a despised vessel to teach you anything?</p>
<p>May the outworking of God&#8217;s gifts through His Holy Spirit within all of us be used for the benefit of the body of Christ.  May also the joy of this Christmas season find a place in your heart as you grow to love and accept all of the body parts, even the ones who are the least presentable in the body of Christ.</p>
<p><em>Merry Christmas</em> to everyone who has been such a wonderful support for this Women in Ministry blog. You are much appreciated for the gifts that you bring me through your support and your wonderful comments.</p>
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&lt;p&gt;While there are many who say that women cannot receive from God that which will benefit men as they believe that all wisdom that God has for mankind must come through the agency of a man, may I remind us today that the Wisdom of God - God Himself came into the world through a woman. The vessel that He used that was meant to bring benefit to all of mankind through the good news of the gospel in the face of the Savior, was a lowly servant who was a woman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are some today who refuse to accept God&amp;#8217;s gift that comes through a woman. Their pride will not allow them to benefit from anything that they believe is beneath them.  They practice hardening their hearts because they do not want to see and do not want to hear what originates from a woman. God cannot use a woman to preach and teach the gospel to the church, they say, because God is pleased to limit Himself to only men who by virtue of their maleness are fit to receive God&amp;#8217;s special gifts that equip only males as teachers and gentle shepherds of God&amp;#8217;s people. To them God&amp;#8217;s best is always a man. God&amp;#8217;s best is the wisdom of a man. God&amp;#8217;s best is the strength of a man. To them God cannot and will not use what is foolish or weak or insignificant, inferior, common or despised.   God limits His work through the chosen gender who are the physically and spiritually &amp;#8220;strong&amp;#8221; ones and God surely sanctions male pride because He created them as first class citizens of the kingdom.  Is it not the complementarian message that it is through males alone that God can fully express Himself in wisdom, power and leadership?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But God has a surprise. God does not work that way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 Cor 1:27  but God has chosen the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;foolish things&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; of the world &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;to shame the wise&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, and God has chosen the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;weak things&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; of the world &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;to shame the things which are strong&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1 Cor 1:28  and the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;base things&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; of the world and &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;the despised God has chosen&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1 Cor 1:29  so that no man may boast before God.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God has selected for Himself the rejected. He has chosen to represent Himself by those who are despised and who are looked down on as insignificant and inferior. God is pleased to use them for His glory.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those who harbor a pride because of their gender are set up for shame. God will bypass them and use the ones who are considered weak and who have suffered disdain, scorn, contempt and rejection.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where will you stand this Christmas? Will you lift up the male gender as the privileged ones? Or will you look past what is on the outside and see the precious gift of God that lives within many apparently weak vessels?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;img class=&quot;alignnone size-full wp-image-1762&quot; title=&quot;Receive from God, Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz&quot; src=&quot;https://strivetoenter.com/wim/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/christmas-girl.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Receive from God, Women in Ministry blog by Cheryl Schatz&quot; width=&quot;267&quot; height=&quot;400&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God has a gift this season which is available to those who will humbly receive. Will you accept God&amp;#8217;s best gift as it is offered to you from those who has been rejected and despised by men? Or will you turn your back on God&amp;#8217;s way and follow the way of the proud and the strong by saying that you do not need such a despised vessel to teach you anything?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;May the outworking of God&amp;#8217;s gifts through His Holy Spirit within all of us be used for the benefit of the body of Christ.  May also the joy of this Christmas season find a place in your heart as you grow to love and accept all of the body parts, even the ones who are the least presentable in the body of Christ.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Merry Christmas&lt;/em&gt; to everyone who has been such a wonderful support for this Women in Ministry blog. You are much appreciated for the gifts that you bring me through your support and your wonderful comments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img class=&quot;alignnone size-full wp-image-1766&quot; title=&quot;Cheryl Schatz on Women in Ministry blog&quot; src=&quot;https://strivetoenter.com/wim/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/cheryl-sig2.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Cheryl Schatz on Women in Ministry blog&quot; width=&quot;210&quot; height=&quot;70&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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