Comments on: The unorthodox view of the Trinity related to women in ministry

By: Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:10:52 +0000

Indeed, Christ is all and in all because he is God. Absolutely! He is no less in power, authority or essence than the Father. Good verses.

By: Michael Terran

Michael Terran — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:16:46 +0000

Hi Cheryl, I was doing some quick studing before i went too work and I was reading Col. cha 3 when I came across verse 11 and made me think of 1 Cor. 15:28! I throught of your new Trinity DVD set, Love It! Now after reading these two verses, how can anyone think of Jesus as Lesser!!!!! Jesus is NOT eternally under the Father, we know that. These scriptures nail that for me and for my own understanding, any throughts? Your DVD helped some much, Thanks. I also send a rebuke in Love Too Dr. Tony Evans because he was on the radio WMBI 90:1 chicago saying Eve added to God's word. I send the Radio station a nice message in love with two of your articles and they will forward to Mr Evans to rebuke this error/false teaching. Thanks for everything. Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

By: Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:16:39 +0000

Okay, I also found the link to the Christianity Today article at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/octoberweb-only/141-53.0.html This one should work.

By: Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:07:30 +0000

I just got back into town and going through some of my email. I looked up one of Frank’s older comments and his web site should read as http://360.yahoo.com/fgeis I will correct his post if I can figure out how to correct his link.

Just a quick update before I fall into bed from exhaustion. The showing of the Trinity DVD went over extremely well. I was asked to show part 2 after the Sunday morning communion service and it was very well received with lots of great feedback. It is now available online at http://mmoutreach.org/order_macgregor_video.htm for US orders or http://mmoutreach.org/order_mmoinc_dvd.htm for Canadian and overseas orders. We spent about 5 hours today putting the product together and stocking shelves so it is all a go now. I will put out a formal post tomorrow and get our Amazon page ready too as soon as I can get a few spare minutes.

Thanks for all the great comments and the feedback. The apologists at the conference were surprised to hear the information in the Trinity DVD set and I think we sold more copies of this DVD this weekend than any other first release product. We are very happy, but very tired and grateful to be home.

By: Cindy K

Cindy K — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:08:33 +0000

I also found that the Christianity today link did not work, but I did find this summary of the debate on the Henry Center blog.

http://www.henrycenter.org/blog/?p=36

(It’s the same link that I posted on another thread.)

Also, Wade Burleson’s blog still has a pretty healthy discussion taking place in response to a letter from Dr. Curtis Freeman (a Baptist) at Duke Divinity School. http://www.wadeburleson.com

By: Don

Don — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:42:37 +0000

Frank, I clicked on your name, but I got yahoo360 which does not exist, so I have no idea how to contact you and am not sure who you are.

By: Don

Don — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:31:46 +0000

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/octoberweb-only/

Frank’s link did not work for me, I had to back up and use the above and then click on “Anathemas all around” article.

By: Frank

Frank — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:42:10 +0000

      There was an important debate on the Trinity, 10/09/08, at TEDS. W. Grudem and B. Ware argued for the semi-Arian position of CBMW, while Tom McCall and Keith Yandell argued for the historic, “Orthodox” view of the Trinity. And you will find a good report and summary of the debate at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/octoberweb-only/141-23.0.hmtl. But the indications are that “the Battle for the Trinity” is far from over.
      And so if we want to better understand this doctrine and how to contend for it in these times, I recommend the following books:
1. The Forgotten Trinity: Recovering the Heart of Christian Belief, by James R. White.
2. God in Three Persons: A Contemporary Interpretation of the Trinity, by Millard J. Erickson.
3. One God in Trinity: An Analysis of the Primary Dogma of Christianity, eds. Peter Toon and James Springster.
4. The Trinity: Global Perspectives, by Velerie-Matti Karkarharen.
      Now, if you have read my blog on the Trinity, you will understand how serious I view the perversion of this centeral doctrine by certain persons to ground their false teaching regard the permanent subjugation of women to men. Therefore, I have written a revised version of my “The Trinity and Evangelical Neo-Arianism” to Jon Zens, encouraging him to use it as one of several articles in a special edition of Searching Together on the Trinity debate. For, as urged in Jude 3-4, I intend to contend for the Faith against all dangerous heresies, and will continue to encourgae others to do the same.

By: Don

Don — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:56:15 +0000

Be careful what you ask for, as you may get it. There are SOME who teach that a child is to obey their parents/father even when an adult!

This is not true and in effect keeps the child a child until the parent dies.

By: Paula

Paula — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:46:08 +0000

Yes, great points, Pink! It’s just like the false dichotomy between patriarchy and egalitarianism; it’s really between patriarchy and matriarchy, with egal. in the center. With that false premise, no matter what concessions patriarchalists would either make or get from us, we’d still wind up with some form of patriarchy. The game is rigged!