Comments on: A deeper look into 1 Timothy 2:12

By: Don

Don — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:40:01 +0000

P.S.

Payne concludes that he thinks it is one thing that Paul is not allowing. He points out that IF it is 2 things, then the non-egal interpretation is STILL wrong as then “a man” only modified authentein and not “to teach”.

Kostenberger gives a very weak response here.
http://www.biblicalfoundations.org/?p=200#comment-78514

By: Don

Don — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:15:53 +0000

http://www.linguistsoftware.com/Payne2008NTS-oude1Tim2_12.pdf
My take is that Payne has given a masterful analysis given our limited knowledge of the situation at Ephesus with Timothy. The only way a non-egal interpretation holds is if it is the ONLY one possible, which Payne and others show is far from the case.

By: Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:18:21 +0000

Jeremy,
No problem. I am also very glad that you welcome intelligent debate. I am that way myself.

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:31:22 +0000

I did not see the last edited section. Sorry for the confusion

Thanks much

JEremy

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:29:32 +0000

I was hoping you took this post down from your site, as I have confirmed it was not written by Matt Slick.

I do not mind an intelligent debate on this subject, but please change the author to my name, “Jeremy” as it is my commentary on this page.

Grace,
Jeremy
http://innovationapologetics.blogspot.com/

By: Michael Terran

Michael Terran — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:39:31 +0000

I remember one time at my church they have a men’s group and a women’s group. The men were studying a book by some arthur I didn’t care for. The women were studying the book of John! I said great so I signed up on the board. Then I found out I couldn’t going to the study because I was a man/male. I got mad because I was Hungerying for truth as a new believer and I left unfed!

I said because I’m a man/male I’m being withheld the Word of God?! Things were never the same at that church. I still go to that church off and on, I will go back to give this New DVD on the Trinity for there Library!

By: Michael Terran

Michael Terran — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:31:00 +0000

Hello,

Welcome to the site.

After I became Born-Again at the age of 24……
I started seeing things in the church that I questioned and started to see that Scripture said one thing and everyone else was doing another. As I grew more in the faith, I had to make a stand for Truth and the teachings of Christ. That’s why I’m a Egal. The more I got into my bible and Prayed for wisdom and understanding, the more I found out! I’m 30 now and going strong for our Lord!

By: Lin

Lin — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:32:34 +0000

Jeremy, Just to introduce myself: I am also an egal who was a comp for 20 years and even worked marketing comp materials, conferences, etc until I started studying the Word with the Holy Spirit instead of only listening to human teachers for understanding.

Now, I feel free to witness to and teach anyone regardless of gender. Freedom in Christ. No Jew No Greek. You see, I learned that the only authority in the Body is Jesus Christ, the Word and the Holy Spirit…God. We are just instruments He gifts and uses for HIS Glory. And we all have different gifts.

Welcome and Blessings.

By: Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:52:48 +0000

I added a disclaimer at the end of my post.

By: Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:34:04 +0000

Okay Jeremy, I will email you on site things.

Don,
Thanks for reminding me of a warm policy that we have here.

Jeremy welcome!
I do try to welcome every new visitor to my blog who posts here for the first time and because we got into it kind of early, I failed to do that. I hope you feel welcome here as we have a genuine care for the body of Christ whether people believe as we do on the secondary issues of faith or not. We are to be known for our love and sometimes we are very passionate in defending the truth from scripture so please don’t take our passion as anything other than pure love for the scriptures and care about other members in the body of Christ too.

As far as the audio, I will give the links here for you. You will probably want to read through this post too as it gives the rest of the story that I was forbidden to give in my time on the radio. When you listen you will hear that I ask permission to finish the passage from the most important verse that defines the passage on 1 Timothy 2:11-15 and I was refused the ability to do that and then he refused to have me on again. Here is the rest of the story:
http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/09/30/the-rest-of-the-story-1-timothy-211-15-and-matt-slick/

The audio to debate number 2 is linked in the above post and the audio to debate number 1 is linked in this post http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/09/19/debate-audio-between-matt-slick-and-cheryl-schatz/