Comments on: Eve and God

By: Don

Don — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:50:20 +0000

Ishah (woman) coming out of ish (man) is a wordplay, as “ah” is a normal hebrew way of feminizing something, so the man is saying that she is a female man, like him in many ways but unlike him in her femaleness.

The whole sentence is also a “Wowie Zowie” statement, recall the man had gone thru all the animals naming them and not finding a partner. When he finally sees her, “Wowie Zowie” was appropriate.

By: tiro

tiro — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:04:31 +0000

Cheryl, excellent job on this one. The angle of who gave permission settles it well.

And Don, I think it is a huge point that GOD named them both Adam in the beginning. Because God named them both Adam, it is kind of like two people having the name of Terry/Terrie. When the name is called they both respond. God also designated gender/sex and gave it a name: male and female, masculine and feminine, man and woman. These were things that God did, not the first human. And then there is the point that the name of Adam given by God is the same kind of name that the first human followed suit to give to the animals; it was the name of their race or kind, ‘human’. So when God called out ‘human’, they knew he was referring to them, not any of the other created creatures.

Whether the man followed suit and called the first woman “woman” because God gave him the example in the animals or because God presented her as “woman” (from man) is difficult to decipher. But I don’t think it matters much in the grand scheme of things and making it into a point of authority as the hierarchalists do is really fantasy ridiculosity also known as selfish wishful thinking, perhaps even the beginning of a psychosis. :)

By: Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:23:15 +0000

This morning I received another fresh insight into what God has already written in scripture. I am eager to post my thoughts in the next article. If I get a chance I will do so today. My children are coming today for the weekend so that makes my time very tight.

By: Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:21:29 +0000

Don,
Amen! The miracle is that the one who is unlimited could possibly use the ones who are so very limited. I need to continue to remind myself that all things are possible, not by me, but by and through HIM!

By: Don

Don — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:10:40 +0000

But not too big for God!

By: Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:29:14 +0000

Pastor Paul,
Thanks for your prayers! I seem to be in a position to need a lot of prayers lately as I attempt things way too big for me.

By: Paul Burleson

Paul Burleson — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:20:30 +0000

Cheryl,

I could not agree more with your statement about angry men. I’m praying for you as this comes about. I’m also praying for the one you are confronting that the Spirit will remove scales from his eyes and that his heart will be opened to you as a sister in Christ. It sounds like you are moving thoughtfully and scripturally. Good for you.

By: Don

Don — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:22:44 +0000

I did not realize there was a large cost factor.

One thing that MAY be a factor with him is he does deal with heretics and nonbelievers of various sorts, so “adding one more to the pile” might seem an easy thing to do and even make it easier on him in his analysis, but we should not do this. That is, he is not making distinctions that he should make.

By: Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:40:54 +0000

Don,
If I were not dealing with someone who is refusing to admit his own faults it would not have taken me this long to have a meeting with Matt Slick. I cannot judge his heart to know why he is like this, but I do believe that having others there may help him to see another perspective if he is open to others. I believe that he has already shut his heart to me and if it were only Matt and I, I may as well save my breath and just finish with the final step. But I do not want to do that without making absolutely sure that I have done every possible effort possible to bring resolution and change. It will cost us a great deal to travel and stay over at least one night but this is my commitment to resolution and following the full Matthew 18 route. It is the way that Jesus set things up for disputes between brethren. If I had pegged Matt as an “enemy” as his vice-president has already pegged me, then I would not need to waste my time, money and energy. I know that some who are supporters of Matt and who watch everything done on this blog have already made judgment calls about my motives. I do not concern myself with people who think that they have a godlike gift of reading hearts. I have only to concern myself with pleasing my Lord and keeping watch on my own attitude. It isn’t easy, but I have a strong desire to serve others including women who may find my pursuit of this matter helpful to their own situation. Jesus must remain front and center as my example and my goal.

Don, I appreciate that you were able to see my point of view. As I said, I do not have the authority to make the decision for him but I can request what I believe to be wise.

By: Don

Don — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:10:31 +0000

I can see how it would be nice for you if she was there, she might be a moderating influence. And I can see why you might want your “protector,” he might be a moderating influence also. And this is in line with taking 2 or 3. And having his pastor there can also be very useful in various ways.