Comments on: Was Adam a type of Christ?

By: Truthseeker

Truthseeker — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:21:40 +0000

Ron, your story is very helpful-thank you! Your insight about developing a deeper relationship with Jesus and not merely doctrine describes what happens when we move from being ‘Word’ oriented to using the Word to enable us to become Jesus-oriented. Isn’t it so easy to focus on the ‘Word’ rather than the Author of the word? That we then formulate rules which become substitutes for knowing Him is the oft tragic result. Your wife does indeed sound like a true minister and an example of ‘the least among you being the greatest.’ Your story is very encouraging to me-thanks, again!

(ironically the anti-spam word of the moment is ‘women’.

By: Ron

Ron — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:44:58 +0000

Truthseeker. Thanks for the welcome.
When I came to the Lord I was a research physicist with a very scientific world view. This was back when Bill Gothard was starting out—I knew him personally. I was comfortable with fundamentalist formulas, but another less known aspect of Bill’s ministry was an emphasis on mild manifestations of God’s supernatural presence. So through a series of changes of world view, seminary, trying to build a “New Testament Church”, and missionary challenges, I found experiences (closely related to fruit, don’t you think?) opened up Scriptures in new ways. African’s were colonialized by the West, but their oppression of their own women was worse. Mainly, when I began to develope a deeper relationship with Jesus and not merely doctrine, my heart started to change. The more I discovered the love the Lord was giving me, the more I discovered the love my wife was giving me. She “submitted” me into repentance. In our family I came to see that she was the real “minister”. This was a paradigm shift much bigger than just “the woman thing”!

By: Truthseeker

Truthseeker — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:17:28 +0000

just curious…did those of you with spouses come to an egal. position at the same time or did some of you have to wait a while to be on the same page (or maybe your spouse waited a while for you to catch up)? How did you deal with the intervening gap of time if there was one?

By: Truthseeker

Truthseeker — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:15:16 +0000

Ron, very good-thank you! It really does seem that somehow a light just has to go on in one’s mind to even be open to the possibility of this type of thinking.

By: Pinklight

Pinklight — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:30:16 +0000

Hi, Ron

Welcome!

I enjoyed your post.

By: Paula

Paula — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:29:05 +0000

And I’m really appalled at that “TUAD” for throwing around logical terms without a clue, accusing Sue of every fallacy in the book while completely ignoring those identical fallacies when committed by comps– which they do with alarming frequency. Sue, more than any of the amateurs there, knows which word to pick from a semantic range, and backs it up with references to other Greek literature of the time. Her opponents, however, since all that goes over their heads, simply defame her and declare themselves winners.

I guess I’m glad they didn’t respond to my post, because I have no time for such juveniles.

By: Greg Anderson

Greg Anderson — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:47:27 +0000

Paula, I must concur with you on what’s happening over at Burke’s blog. I too am surprised that McCarthy hasn’t been shown the door and told not to return. I’ve noticed that the pattern with comp. blogs is to eject people who show up with data that is not easily swept under their theological rugs with a hand broom. What are they afraid of? I have yet to see an egal. blog that kicks out people for promoting the comp. view.

By: Paula

Paula — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:20:48 +0000

Lin, I posted in that site what I posted here in #12 (and they have completely ignored it), and I agree, Sue is being accused of exactly what the comp crowd does: twisting, misquoting, misunderstanding, spinning the meanings of words to suit ideology. She backs up everything with sources and quotes comps verbatim, yet they squirm and then tell her what her motives are. It’s just a pathetic mud-flinging contest on the comps’ part.

By: Lin

Lin — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:51:53 +0000

My goodness, I just visited that site. I am amazed that Suzanne has not been banned yet. she is making too much sense and giving too many facts! :o)

By: Truthseeker

Truthseeker — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:39:15 +0000

Lin, I agree with what you said about one’s understanding of the Genesis verses being the underpinnings for their views on all the rest of the issue. One has to read a LOT into the Genesis verses to arrive at a hierarchical view. Bruce Ware gives a quick outline of how comps. do this on his recent input at http://www.dennyburk.com/?p=2162 .