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	<description>This blog is for dialogue on the issue of women in ministry and the freedom for women to teach the bible in a public setting.  It is also for questions and answers on our DVD entitled "Women in Ministry: Silenced or Set Free?"  This 4 DVD set answers the hard passages of scripture that seem to restrict women's ministry.</description>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Schatz</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/07/is-ordination-a-requirement/#comment-4691</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Schatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel,

Thanks for the update!  God is indeed good and his way is perfect.  Keep following hard after God and he will not fail to lead you in the way that he desires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel,</p>
<p>Thanks for the update!  God is indeed good and his way is perfect.  Keep following hard after God and he will not fail to lead you in the way that he desires.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel at Re vis.e Re form</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/07/is-ordination-a-requirement/#comment-4690</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel at Re vis.e Re form</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an update
Hi it's Rachel at revisingreform blog. I'm looking at this page today as I write up my first assignment for theological college. I have to write 3000 words on What are the key theological issues which divide those who would argue for the ordination of women as Bishops, from those who argue against it?

It is proving very difficult because I could write 3000 on 1 Tim alone. Anyway, just marveling at it all - that this summer struggle that I contacted you over has now propelled me to theological college - and it's fascinating. I am being taught by the principle Christina Baxter of St John's Nottingham and she has done much to further the cause of women priests and bishops and was on the General Synod in July which finally decided that women can be consecrated to the Episcopate in the Anglican Church UK. I feel very blessed. 

love Rachel at re vis.e re form

God certainly does work for the good in everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an update<br />
Hi it&#8217;s Rachel at revisingreform blog. I&#8217;m looking at this page today as I write up my first assignment for theological college. I have to write 3000 words on What are the key theological issues which divide those who would argue for the ordination of women as Bishops, from those who argue against it?</p>
<p>It is proving very difficult because I could write 3000 on 1 Tim alone. Anyway, just marveling at it all - that this summer struggle that I contacted you over has now propelled me to theological college - and it&#8217;s fascinating. I am being taught by the principle Christina Baxter of St John&#8217;s Nottingham and she has done much to further the cause of women priests and bishops and was on the General Synod in July which finally decided that women can be consecrated to the Episcopate in the Anglican Church UK. I feel very blessed. </p>
<p>love Rachel at re vis.e re form</p>
<p>God certainly does work for the good in everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/07/is-ordination-a-requirement/#comment-3590</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Called"

I am separating the threads so that it will be easier to follow.  I look forward to finding out who you really are :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Called&#8221;</p>
<p>I am separating the threads so that it will be easier to follow.  I look forward to finding out who you really are <img src='http://strivetoenter.com/wim/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Called and wanting healing</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/07/is-ordination-a-requirement/#comment-3587</link>
		<dc:creator>Called and wanting healing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's a good idea to separate these "threads" now - hey - I'm learning the jargon. I'm pointing people to my reviews of the vicar's sermon on the role of women and it takes quite a bit of brain power to follow the other discussion too. I'm linking to this page from http://hrht-revisingreform.blogspot.com

It would be lovely if someone from this site introduced themselves to the British people on my site. Hoping to hear greetings from you across the pond. 

Every blessing hrht or called or me - I will disclose who I am quite soon if I feel I can muster up enough support on my site to feel the confidence to do so. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a good idea to separate these &#8220;threads&#8221; now - hey - I&#8217;m learning the jargon. I&#8217;m pointing people to my reviews of the vicar&#8217;s sermon on the role of women and it takes quite a bit of brain power to follow the other discussion too. I&#8217;m linking to this page from <a href="http://hrht-revisingreform.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://hrht-revisingreform.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>It would be lovely if someone from this site introduced themselves to the British people on my site. Hoping to hear greetings from you across the pond. </p>
<p>Every blessing hrht or called or me - I will disclose who I am quite soon if I feel I can muster up enough support on my site to feel the confidence to do so. </p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might be best on its own thread, it makes it easier to follow that specific topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be best on its own thread, it makes it easier to follow that specific topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

I would like to continue to discuss the Paul/Matthias issue.  I just have my mind going in so many different directions right now that I want to respond to your reasons with clarity.  Your well thought-out proposals deserve a well thought-out answer.  I pretty well know how to answer you, but I do want to meditate on your points more especially because I respect you a lot and don't think we have to rush this discussion.  It isn't a discussion that should get me the "honor" of being banned from my own blog, eh?  I have really appreciated your ability to passionately fight for your opinion and even your caution to me.  I do not believe that you need to worry about my fight for recognition of the apostle Paul as a detriment to someone's belief in women in ministry, but I respect you for sharing that.  My plan was to get back to this discussion later on today.  I really love this back and forth discussion as it is truly a push to dig into the scriptures and should result in a two-way result of iron sharpening iron.

**Note the comments about whether Paul is the twelfth apostle or not have all been moved to the comments under &lt;a href="http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/11/pauls-ordination/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/11/pauls-ordination/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>I would like to continue to discuss the Paul/Matthias issue.  I just have my mind going in so many different directions right now that I want to respond to your reasons with clarity.  Your well thought-out proposals deserve a well thought-out answer.  I pretty well know how to answer you, but I do want to meditate on your points more especially because I respect you a lot and don&#8217;t think we have to rush this discussion.  It isn&#8217;t a discussion that should get me the &#8220;honor&#8221; of being banned from my own blog, eh?  I have really appreciated your ability to passionately fight for your opinion and even your caution to me.  I do not believe that you need to worry about my fight for recognition of the apostle Paul as a detriment to someone&#8217;s belief in women in ministry, but I respect you for sharing that.  My plan was to get back to this discussion later on today.  I really love this back and forth discussion as it is truly a push to dig into the scriptures and should result in a two-way result of iron sharpening iron.</p>
<p>**Note the comments about whether Paul is the twelfth apostle or not have all been moved to the comments under <a href="http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/11/pauls-ordination/" rel="nofollow">http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/11/pauls-ordination/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/07/is-ordination-a-requirement/#comment-3582</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl,

I realize you have a lot going on, so you can choose if we continue to discuss Paul and not Matthias as one of the 12.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl,</p>
<p>I realize you have a lot going on, so you can choose if we continue to discuss Paul and not Matthias as one of the 12.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/07/is-ordination-a-requirement/#comment-3580</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi hrht,

Thanks for the audio files.  I will listen to them shortly.  I am also interested to hear what he has to say about the Trinity especially since I have just finished refuting Bruce Ware's view of the eternal subordination of the Son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi hrht,</p>
<p>Thanks for the audio files.  I will listen to them shortly.  I am also interested to hear what he has to say about the Trinity especially since I have just finished refuting Bruce Ware&#8217;s view of the eternal subordination of the Son.</p>
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		<title>By: Called and wanting healing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Called and wanting healing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cheryl
 Here are two more podcasts from the Conservative Evangelical vicar who has preached on the role of women. 
&lt;a href="http://www.duffieldparishchurch.co.uk/thetrinity.mp3" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.duffieldparishchurch.co.uk/thetrinity.mp3&lt;/a&gt;
 
 &lt;a href="http://www.stalkmunds.stixworx.com/mp3/rightconduct.mp3" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.stalkmunds.stixworx.com/mp3/rightconduct.mp3&lt;/a&gt;
 
 
 I am looking forward to the second part of the lecture on the trinity because I feel as though it will be where they try to argue that subordinationism in the trinity justifies the subordination of women. They're are on very dodgy ground here, theologically. 
 
 The lecture on 'right' conduct didn't worry me too much but I think it was a clever way for this vicar to explain to his congregation why he doesn't recognise the power of his Bishop Alistair Redfern of Derbyshire. The Lambeth Conference will debate the question of women in the episcopate in July 08 and if things don't go our conservative friend's way then following this lecture he might be more able to secure the 'flying bishop' (if he can find one!) he will require - ie a bishop who similarly won't recognise other women bishops. 
 
 Enjoying your site
 
 Yours in Christ
 hrht</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cheryl<br />
 Here are two more podcasts from the Conservative Evangelical vicar who has preached on the role of women.<br />
<a href="http://www.duffieldparishchurch.co.uk/thetrinity.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.duffieldparishchurch.co.uk/thetrinity.mp3</a></p>
<p> <a href="http://www.stalkmunds.stixworx.com/mp3/rightconduct.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.stalkmunds.stixworx.com/mp3/rightconduct.mp3</a></p>
<p> I am looking forward to the second part of the lecture on the trinity because I feel as though it will be where they try to argue that subordinationism in the trinity justifies the subordination of women. They&#8217;re are on very dodgy ground here, theologically. </p>
<p> The lecture on &#8216;right&#8217; conduct didn&#8217;t worry me too much but I think it was a clever way for this vicar to explain to his congregation why he doesn&#8217;t recognise the power of his Bishop Alistair Redfern of Derbyshire. The Lambeth Conference will debate the question of women in the episcopate in July 08 and if things don&#8217;t go our conservative friend&#8217;s way then following this lecture he might be more able to secure the &#8216;flying bishop&#8217; (if he can find one!) he will require - ie a bishop who similarly won&#8217;t recognise other women bishops. </p>
<p> Enjoying your site</p>
<p> Yours in Christ<br />
 hrht</p>
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		<title>By: Terri</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/06/07/is-ordination-a-requirement/#comment-3560</link>
		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The evaluation of  prophetic tongues as authentic is to be reserved for those in authority ( patriarchalist belief).  The laity and women in particular have NO RIGHT OR AUTHORITY to make evaluations.  Heck, the strategy of these men are bent on disallowing prophecy from women period so as to prejudge ANY WOMAN speaking as being unbiblical.
These leaders are trying to  predispose  congregations to believe that women cannot have the gift of prophesy therefore any woman who has the audacity to prophecy publicly and audibly will be subdued.  The refusal of the gift of prophecy has everything to do with the flesh/gender that the gift is wrapped in.  

Prophecy is for edification, exhortation and comfort for the church.  Pentecost was considered by most to be womens 'Emancipation Day', and the avaliablity and access of the spirit was made avaliable to both men and women as the text states.  When we see the devaluation of the work of the Holy Ghost in mens lives we also see the silencing of the sisters.  When the Holy Ghost is rejected/grieved men begin to lead themselves as the spirit is no longer welcome.  Authority structures is no substitute for the leading of the spirit, or you end up with what we are seeing today.............no healing, no miracles, no words of wisdom etc. = no spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evaluation of  prophetic tongues as authentic is to be reserved for those in authority ( patriarchalist belief).  The laity and women in particular have NO RIGHT OR AUTHORITY to make evaluations.  Heck, the strategy of these men are bent on disallowing prophecy from women period so as to prejudge ANY WOMAN speaking as being unbiblical.<br />
These leaders are trying to  predispose  congregations to believe that women cannot have the gift of prophesy therefore any woman who has the audacity to prophecy publicly and audibly will be subdued.  The refusal of the gift of prophecy has everything to do with the flesh/gender that the gift is wrapped in.  </p>
<p>Prophecy is for edification, exhortation and comfort for the church.  Pentecost was considered by most to be womens &#8216;Emancipation Day&#8217;, and the avaliablity and access of the spirit was made avaliable to both men and women as the text states.  When we see the devaluation of the work of the Holy Ghost in mens lives we also see the silencing of the sisters.  When the Holy Ghost is rejected/grieved men begin to lead themselves as the spirit is no longer welcome.  Authority structures is no substitute for the leading of the spirit, or you end up with what we are seeing today&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.no healing, no miracles, no words of wisdom etc. = no spirit.</p>
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