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	<title>Comments on: Dr. Randall Buth refutes accusation made against me on CARM</title>
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	<description>This blog is for dialogue on the issue of women in ministry and the freedom for women to teach the bible in a public setting.  It is also for questions and answers on our DVD entitled "Women in Ministry: Silenced or Set Free?"  This 4 DVD set answers the hard passages of scripture that seem to restrict women's ministry.</description>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/03/26/dr-randall-buth-refutes-accusation-against-me-on-carm/#comment-3064</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy,
I too worry about what the effect CARM has on non-believers.  I have seen reports of non-believers very hurt by their treatment on CARM's discussion boards.  May this never be!  Unbelievers need to see that the church deals with those who are divisive.  My blog is a testimony to the fact that we have called Diane and Matt to repent and to be restored.  I also want this blog to be a testimony to the fact that we welcome with open arms Christian brothers and sisters who call themselves complementarians.  This is a place where we can passionately debate in a respectful manner but in the end we are to love one another as Christ love us.  This is not a suggestion from Jesus but his command and all true Christians will have this love for one another because Jesus dwells within us.

This loving attitude is not displayed at CARM.  I will not recommend Christians or non-Christians to go on CARM's discussion boards.  I am certain there must be other good boards out there who treat people with respect.  We are not to support divisive people but warn them that the Good Shepherd will bring them to account.

Thanks for posting your comments, Sandy.  I know Diane at least will be reading your words from this blog and I hope that your words will have an effect on her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy,<br />
I too worry about what the effect CARM has on non-believers.  I have seen reports of non-believers very hurt by their treatment on CARM&#8217;s discussion boards.  May this never be!  Unbelievers need to see that the church deals with those who are divisive.  My blog is a testimony to the fact that we have called Diane and Matt to repent and to be restored.  I also want this blog to be a testimony to the fact that we welcome with open arms Christian brothers and sisters who call themselves complementarians.  This is a place where we can passionately debate in a respectful manner but in the end we are to love one another as Christ love us.  This is not a suggestion from Jesus but his command and all true Christians will have this love for one another because Jesus dwells within us.</p>
<p>This loving attitude is not displayed at CARM.  I will not recommend Christians or non-Christians to go on CARM&#8217;s discussion boards.  I am certain there must be other good boards out there who treat people with respect.  We are not to support divisive people but warn them that the Good Shepherd will bring them to account.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting your comments, Sandy.  I know Diane at least will be reading your words from this blog and I hope that your words will have an effect on her.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl,
I've actually stopped posting at CARM.  It is difficult to engage in a conversation when some are not listening to others.  It does not make for a very meaningful discussion.  

I also worry about the Christian witness left there for non Christians to see.  One of the big problems nonbelievers tell me they have with Christians is hyposcrisy.  I always attempt to show the love of Christ even when I don't agree with someone and graciousness is just good manners in my opinion.  Yes, I know that we struggle with our flesh and Christians aren't perfect.  But Christians are called to love one another.  I also know it's not fair that nonbelievers hold Christians to a higher standard, but they do expect more from us.  And frankly, the Holy Spirit has promised to help us be more godly.  We aren't just saved from sin - we are saved to a godly life.  Not one of legalism, but one of love.

It's a good thing to expose false Biblical teaching.  It's another thing to do that without a spirit of love.  It's also another thing to make disputable matters a issue of salvation.  One must be careful to major on the majors and minor on the minors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl,<br />
I&#8217;ve actually stopped posting at CARM.  It is difficult to engage in a conversation when some are not listening to others.  It does not make for a very meaningful discussion.  </p>
<p>I also worry about the Christian witness left there for non Christians to see.  One of the big problems nonbelievers tell me they have with Christians is hyposcrisy.  I always attempt to show the love of Christ even when I don&#8217;t agree with someone and graciousness is just good manners in my opinion.  Yes, I know that we struggle with our flesh and Christians aren&#8217;t perfect.  But Christians are called to love one another.  I also know it&#8217;s not fair that nonbelievers hold Christians to a higher standard, but they do expect more from us.  And frankly, the Holy Spirit has promised to help us be more godly.  We aren&#8217;t just saved from sin - we are saved to a godly life.  Not one of legalism, but one of love.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good thing to expose false Biblical teaching.  It&#8217;s another thing to do that without a spirit of love.  It&#8217;s also another thing to make disputable matters a issue of salvation.  One must be careful to major on the majors and minor on the minors.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that Diane Sellner keeps repeating that "En" has refuted me regarding Dr. Buth's work on the Hebrew grammar that proves that Genesis 2 has the animals and the garden of Eden created after Adam's creation.  I posted to CARM the refutation of "En" including a challenge to him regarding how he was going to square up the creation account in Genesis 1 where the birds are created on day 5 and the account in Genesis 2 where the birds are created after Adam's creation on day 6.  He had admitted that this was a problem.  However as Dr. Buth says, we just need to accept the text as it is written and I completely agree with him.  There is no contradiction when you see the genders created at different times.  "En" will not see my answer unless he comes here because Diane will not allow my post to go through.  By withholding the answer, Diane proves that saving face is more important than the truth.  

This blog is dedicated to the truth and to checking the facts by going to the original source.  Diane would rather rely on the information given by a Deist rather than go to the source.  It is a pity but quite understandable since this is what her pattern is.  She says that I won't answer emails.  I have never received an email from her.  It is interesting that Diane had to correct a comment that she posted saying that she emailed me.  Apparently she didn't know that the person that posted on my contact form with an IP address from Pennsylvania had not sent me an email.  If she had sent it herself she would have known that to begin with.  It is also amazing that Diane has accused me of putting her "private" email on this blog.  She said that since I put it up, she would also post it.  How interesting.  You can find her "private" email to me posted on CARM, yet you won't find it on my blog.  Why is that?  It is because I didn't post it.  I merely said that I had received an accusation of a copyright infringement and I posted my defense.  I never posted one word from Diane.  The most amazing thing is that because Diane made her "private" email public, anyone with scruples can check my blog and can verify that I never posted her "private" email that she posted on CARM.

The question that I have is why would Diane post a "private" email on CARM when the very fact of her posting it completely disproves her accusation against me that I posted her "email"?  And why would Diane accuse me of misrepresenting Buth and then refuse to allow my posts to go through on CARM?  What is Diane afraid of?  I think that a reasonable person could conclude that truth is not held high on CARM.  I am very happy that it appears that the the gospel is held high and the death and resurrection of Jesus are held high.  That is a good thing.  But when Diane and Matt make the secondary issue of women in ministry to be an issue of salvation and they attack Christians who hold to all the same essentials of the faith as they do, they need to be called to account for their divisive attitudes.

It is time to have a full-scale CARM alert.  I encourage every truth loving Christian to not support CARM until the divisive attacks and the lies against Christians are stopped.  Anyone who wants a copy of the documented audio files can contact me.  I also encourage people to check out Diane's post where she copies her "private" email to me.  It is at http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=97611  Note that the copy of the "private" email is on post #1 and starts "To Whom IT May Concern:"

Now look to see what I actually posted on comment #100 here http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/02/28/please-welcome-diane-sellner/

Also see Diane's accusation against me saying that I posted her email on my blog. http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=97640  She says "The point is now she is denying posting the requests sent in private email."  Yes, I am denying that I posted Diane's request.  Anyone can verify that what I am saying is true and that Diane's accusation that I posted her request to me is false.

How "private" was it if she could post it on CARM's discussion board?  I never posted it but she did!  Diane also says that I didn't answer her "email" on my contact page.  I did answer it and perhaps she should check with the person who was the puppet who sent the contact form.  Now I predict that Diane will not want too many people to actually go to CARM and see the documented evidence of her lie to verify that what I posted was nothing at all from the "private" email.  Perhaps Diane will do what she always does and remove the evidence.  The thread is called "EDIT to answer questions: Public Announcement Concerning Copyright infringements."  I have it saved in case she takes it down.

All those who are CARM followers and who are still lovers of truth need to check out the facts for themselves.  Will Diane be held accountable for her lies or not?  I guess you will have to decide that for yourselves but remember that what is done in the darkness needs to be exposed by the light.  If you love Diane and Matt and want CARM to succeed, then the lies and the attacks posted on CARM need to stop.  Send Diane and Matt an email.  Post on their discussion board.  Call them to account.  And if they won't repent, then leave.  A divisive brother and sister in Christ is to be warned twice and then rejected.  It is far better to care enough about them to call them to account than to allow this kind of sin to continue.  You can also comment here on this post.  Diane and her spies regularly watch this blog and this post.  What you say here will be read by Diane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that Diane Sellner keeps repeating that &#8220;En&#8221; has refuted me regarding Dr. Buth&#8217;s work on the Hebrew grammar that proves that Genesis 2 has the animals and the garden of Eden created after Adam&#8217;s creation.  I posted to CARM the refutation of &#8220;En&#8221; including a challenge to him regarding how he was going to square up the creation account in Genesis 1 where the birds are created on day 5 and the account in Genesis 2 where the birds are created after Adam&#8217;s creation on day 6.  He had admitted that this was a problem.  However as Dr. Buth says, we just need to accept the text as it is written and I completely agree with him.  There is no contradiction when you see the genders created at different times.  &#8220;En&#8221; will not see my answer unless he comes here because Diane will not allow my post to go through.  By withholding the answer, Diane proves that saving face is more important than the truth.  </p>
<p>This blog is dedicated to the truth and to checking the facts by going to the original source.  Diane would rather rely on the information given by a Deist rather than go to the source.  It is a pity but quite understandable since this is what her pattern is.  She says that I won&#8217;t answer emails.  I have never received an email from her.  It is interesting that Diane had to correct a comment that she posted saying that she emailed me.  Apparently she didn&#8217;t know that the person that posted on my contact form with an IP address from Pennsylvania had not sent me an email.  If she had sent it herself she would have known that to begin with.  It is also amazing that Diane has accused me of putting her &#8220;private&#8221; email on this blog.  She said that since I put it up, she would also post it.  How interesting.  You can find her &#8220;private&#8221; email to me posted on CARM, yet you won&#8217;t find it on my blog.  Why is that?  It is because I didn&#8217;t post it.  I merely said that I had received an accusation of a copyright infringement and I posted my defense.  I never posted one word from Diane.  The most amazing thing is that because Diane made her &#8220;private&#8221; email public, anyone with scruples can check my blog and can verify that I never posted her &#8220;private&#8221; email that she posted on CARM.</p>
<p>The question that I have is why would Diane post a &#8220;private&#8221; email on CARM when the very fact of her posting it completely disproves her accusation against me that I posted her &#8220;email&#8221;?  And why would Diane accuse me of misrepresenting Buth and then refuse to allow my posts to go through on CARM?  What is Diane afraid of?  I think that a reasonable person could conclude that truth is not held high on CARM.  I am very happy that it appears that the the gospel is held high and the death and resurrection of Jesus are held high.  That is a good thing.  But when Diane and Matt make the secondary issue of women in ministry to be an issue of salvation and they attack Christians who hold to all the same essentials of the faith as they do, they need to be called to account for their divisive attitudes.</p>
<p>It is time to have a full-scale CARM alert.  I encourage every truth loving Christian to not support CARM until the divisive attacks and the lies against Christians are stopped.  Anyone who wants a copy of the documented audio files can contact me.  I also encourage people to check out Diane&#8217;s post where she copies her &#8220;private&#8221; email to me.  It is at <a href="http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=97611" rel="nofollow">http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=97611</a>  Note that the copy of the &#8220;private&#8221; email is on post #1 and starts &#8220;To Whom IT May Concern:&#8221;</p>
<p>Now look to see what I actually posted on comment #100 here <a href="http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/02/28/please-welcome-diane-sellner/" rel="nofollow">http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/02/28/please-welcome-diane-sellner/</a></p>
<p>Also see Diane&#8217;s accusation against me saying that I posted her email on my blog. <a href="http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=97640" rel="nofollow">http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=97640</a>  She says &#8220;The point is now she is denying posting the requests sent in private email.&#8221;  Yes, I am denying that I posted Diane&#8217;s request.  Anyone can verify that what I am saying is true and that Diane&#8217;s accusation that I posted her request to me is false.</p>
<p>How &#8220;private&#8221; was it if she could post it on CARM&#8217;s discussion board?  I never posted it but she did!  Diane also says that I didn&#8217;t answer her &#8220;email&#8221; on my contact page.  I did answer it and perhaps she should check with the person who was the puppet who sent the contact form.  Now I predict that Diane will not want too many people to actually go to CARM and see the documented evidence of her lie to verify that what I posted was nothing at all from the &#8220;private&#8221; email.  Perhaps Diane will do what she always does and remove the evidence.  The thread is called &#8220;EDIT to answer questions: Public Announcement Concerning Copyright infringements.&#8221;  I have it saved in case she takes it down.</p>
<p>All those who are CARM followers and who are still lovers of truth need to check out the facts for themselves.  Will Diane be held accountable for her lies or not?  I guess you will have to decide that for yourselves but remember that what is done in the darkness needs to be exposed by the light.  If you love Diane and Matt and want CARM to succeed, then the lies and the attacks posted on CARM need to stop.  Send Diane and Matt an email.  Post on their discussion board.  Call them to account.  And if they won&#8217;t repent, then leave.  A divisive brother and sister in Christ is to be warned twice and then rejected.  It is far better to care enough about them to call them to account than to allow this kind of sin to continue.  You can also comment here on this post.  Diane and her spies regularly watch this blog and this post.  What you say here will be read by Diane.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I thought you were harmonizing the gospels, you are at a higher level than that and for a specific purpose.  It would still be interesting to see.  

I do not know much about what the JWs teach, except I know that on some secondary doctrines, they get what the Bible says better than many churches; and this can throw some people a curve when they talk to them at a door and point this out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I thought you were harmonizing the gospels, you are at a higher level than that and for a specific purpose.  It would still be interesting to see.  </p>
<p>I do not know much about what the JWs teach, except I know that on some secondary doctrines, they get what the Bible says better than many churches; and this can throw some people a curve when they talk to them at a door and point this out.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/03/26/dr-randall-buth-refutes-accusation-against-me-on-carm/#comment-3026</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,
I should have made myself a little clearer.  I am somewhat spaced these days so it is easy to think that everyone knows how I think ;)  The "timeline" for Jesus is not a "timeline" of the events of his life, but rather who he is and how that can be expressed graphically.  It shows how he is eternal as spirit and then takes on flesh and what happens when his flesh dies.  It is a "timeline" that shows in pictures what happens during the resurrection.  It is absolutely fascinating to watch a JW "get it" when they see that there is no physical connection at all between the Jesus who died and the "Jesus" who was resurrected as Michael the Archangel.  Another thing the "timeline" shows is that there is no way to get around it other than to see that their "Jesus" actually died twice.  Like I said I have been toying with the idea of putting this onto a DVD as a teaching series and my hsuband is really pushing me.  He is sitting in on the sessions and he can see how the JWs are having their eyes opened by the "timeline".  It is an idea that I should be sharing so that others can understand and use this way of teaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
I should have made myself a little clearer.  I am somewhat spaced these days so it is easy to think that everyone knows how I think <img src='http://strivetoenter.com/wim/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  The &#8220;timeline&#8221; for Jesus is not a &#8220;timeline&#8221; of the events of his life, but rather who he is and how that can be expressed graphically.  It shows how he is eternal as spirit and then takes on flesh and what happens when his flesh dies.  It is a &#8220;timeline&#8221; that shows in pictures what happens during the resurrection.  It is absolutely fascinating to watch a JW &#8220;get it&#8221; when they see that there is no physical connection at all between the Jesus who died and the &#8220;Jesus&#8221; who was resurrected as Michael the Archangel.  Another thing the &#8220;timeline&#8221; shows is that there is no way to get around it other than to see that their &#8220;Jesus&#8221; actually died twice.  Like I said I have been toying with the idea of putting this onto a DVD as a teaching series and my hsuband is really pushing me.  He is sitting in on the sessions and he can see how the JWs are having their eyes opened by the &#8220;timeline&#8221;.  It is an idea that I should be sharing so that others can understand and use this way of teaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2008/03/26/dr-randall-buth-refutes-accusation-against-me-on-carm/#comment-3022</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On working on a timeline for the life of Christ, the good news is there are 4 gospels and the bad news is there are 4 gospels.  People have spent a huge amount of study on just the last week, let alone the whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On working on a timeline for the life of Christ, the good news is there are 4 gospels and the bad news is there are 4 gospels.  People have spent a huge amount of study on just the last week, let alone the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very interested to find out what Dr. Buth thinks about my DVDs and the exegesis in Genesis and 1 Timothy 2. I brought in a lot of material from the Hebraic point of view that we often miss by our English minds.  It will be interesting to see what someone who lives in Israel and who teaches Hebrew responds.  I got an email from a Messianic Rabbi who loved the DVDs and was extremely happy with the Hebraic point of view on the hard passages of scripture on the women's issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very interested to find out what Dr. Buth thinks about my DVDs and the exegesis in Genesis and 1 Timothy 2. I brought in a lot of material from the Hebraic point of view that we often miss by our English minds.  It will be interesting to see what someone who lives in Israel and who teaches Hebrew responds.  I got an email from a Messianic Rabbi who loved the DVDs and was extremely happy with the Hebraic point of view on the hard passages of scripture on the women&#8217;s issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also believe it is important to get the details right.  Inspired text means every detail can be important.  I also agree with Buth that each pericope needs to be understood on its own, before any attempt at integration with others, as the opposite idea can result in reading into the text. 

Jews talk about the 6 days of creation as special and point out that they are not necessarily the same as days today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also believe it is important to get the details right.  Inspired text means every detail can be important.  I also agree with Buth that each pericope needs to be understood on its own, before any attempt at integration with others, as the opposite idea can result in reading into the text. </p>
<p>Jews talk about the 6 days of creation as special and point out that they are not necessarily the same as days today.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,
Thanks, I appreciate that thought.  

For me, I see something more than general principles.  As an apologist I am trained in looking for the details especially those details that others gloss over.  I am amazed at what God has revealed.  Much of the detail in Genesis 1 &#38; 2 are details that would not be available to us without revelation.  No one was there when God created the heavens and the earth.  Without his revelation of the details, we would not know what happened.  But God chose to pull back the curtain of time and reveal his work of creation with us.  Is his revelation helpful to us?  I definitely believe it is.  I believe it reveals God's pattern.  It allows us to dispel the myth that if one only saw God's works or his miracles that this person would believe and would act on that belief.  Adam had the privilege of seeing parts of God's creation as God formed the animals and brought them to him, but Adam did not let this knowledge change him.  

In my own ministry work, I have found that paying attention to the details has helped me immensely.  For example, many claim that God chose not to talk to Eve and give her the prohibition directly.  By paying attention to the details in the creation account, one can dispel this myth and free a person from thinking that God favors men and talks to them alone.

I do not want this to mean that I don't think that the big picture is important.  I appreciate those who have a real gift of painting the big picture for me and who keep reminding me of that big picture.  My gift is not so much in the big, but in the little.  I am a detail person and a logical person.  I work at issues until they can make sense to me in all of the detail in the passage.  Then I pray and ask God to help me to "paint" the detail for others so that they can "get it" too.  This is why I so often use graphics to express my thoughts.  

Right now I am witnessing to two Jehovah's Witnesses and we are going through the "time line" of Jesus on paper.  I have come up with a visual way of expressing the details of the events in time that point to who Jesus is and how this differs with who the JW's say that Jesus is.  It is so amazing!  The JW's can view my timeline and see things that they have never before considered.  I am thinking that when these JW's come free in Christ, I would like to put this teaching onto DVD to show others how they can effectively witness to Jehovah's Witnesses in a gentle, respectful and visual way.  I have used this method for years when I led a support group for ex-JW's.  It is what kept them coming back time and time again to learn.  It is non-threatening, visual and helps people to think outside the box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
Thanks, I appreciate that thought.  </p>
<p>For me, I see something more than general principles.  As an apologist I am trained in looking for the details especially those details that others gloss over.  I am amazed at what God has revealed.  Much of the detail in Genesis 1 &amp; 2 are details that would not be available to us without revelation.  No one was there when God created the heavens and the earth.  Without his revelation of the details, we would not know what happened.  But God chose to pull back the curtain of time and reveal his work of creation with us.  Is his revelation helpful to us?  I definitely believe it is.  I believe it reveals God&#8217;s pattern.  It allows us to dispel the myth that if one only saw God&#8217;s works or his miracles that this person would believe and would act on that belief.  Adam had the privilege of seeing parts of God&#8217;s creation as God formed the animals and brought them to him, but Adam did not let this knowledge change him.  </p>
<p>In my own ministry work, I have found that paying attention to the details has helped me immensely.  For example, many claim that God chose not to talk to Eve and give her the prohibition directly.  By paying attention to the details in the creation account, one can dispel this myth and free a person from thinking that God favors men and talks to them alone.</p>
<p>I do not want this to mean that I don&#8217;t think that the big picture is important.  I appreciate those who have a real gift of painting the big picture for me and who keep reminding me of that big picture.  My gift is not so much in the big, but in the little.  I am a detail person and a logical person.  I work at issues until they can make sense to me in all of the detail in the passage.  Then I pray and ask God to help me to &#8220;paint&#8221; the detail for others so that they can &#8220;get it&#8221; too.  This is why I so often use graphics to express my thoughts.  </p>
<p>Right now I am witnessing to two Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses and we are going through the &#8220;time line&#8221; of Jesus on paper.  I have come up with a visual way of expressing the details of the events in time that point to who Jesus is and how this differs with who the JW&#8217;s say that Jesus is.  It is so amazing!  The JW&#8217;s can view my timeline and see things that they have never before considered.  I am thinking that when these JW&#8217;s come free in Christ, I would like to put this teaching onto DVD to show others how they can effectively witness to Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses in a gentle, respectful and visual way.  I have used this method for years when I led a support group for ex-JW&#8217;s.  It is what kept them coming back time and time again to learn.  It is non-threatening, visual and helps people to think outside the box.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, I incorporate the 3 Genesis origins accounts together by losing the assumption of (strict) chronological time.  That is, besides being a poem about Creation, Gen 1 has a purpose of giving a reason for Sabbath keepting; that is, working 6 days (like God did) and resting on 1 (like God did).  The working days are stated in a way that could be understood by farmers and shepherds of the time and that deal with work appropriate for God, namely creation of everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, I incorporate the 3 Genesis origins accounts together by losing the assumption of (strict) chronological time.  That is, besides being a poem about Creation, Gen 1 has a purpose of giving a reason for Sabbath keepting; that is, working 6 days (like God did) and resting on 1 (like God did).  The working days are stated in a way that could be understood by farmers and shepherds of the time and that deal with work appropriate for God, namely creation of everything.</p>
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