Comments on: Spiritual gifts a means for obedience http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/ This blog is for dialogue on the issue of women in ministry and the freedom for women to teach the bible in a public setting. It is also for questions and answers on our DVD entitled "Women in Ministry: Silenced or Set Free?" This 4 DVD set answers the hard passages of scripture that seem to restrict women's ministry. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:07:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: tiro http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1866 tiro Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:51:57 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1866 I've been observing also. It is interesting how much some patriarchalist gender hierarchalists remind me of the Klu Klux Klan. :( I’ve been observing also. It is interesting how much some patriarchalist gender hierarchalists remind me of the Klu Klux Klan. :(

]]> By: Cheryl http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1865 Cheryl Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:15:40 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1865 Thanks Charis for keeping me informed. I am glad that there is some good from what I started. That is just one forum I won't be going back on and I guess it isn't quite as much fun for them to roast me when I am not there to see it :) Thanks Charis for keeping me informed. I am glad that there is some good from what I started. That is just one forum I won’t be going back on and I guess it isn’t quite as much fun for them to roast me when I am not there to see it :)

]]> By: Charis http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1864 Charis Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:59:20 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1864 <blockquote>I think they view the bible with a pink lens because the godly example of women leaders in the bible (the pink verses) have miraculously disappeared. After all didn’t God only use women because he didn’t have any men whom he could use? Lots of pink was used to bring this view into focus.</blockquote> Sounds like the root of the "feminization of the church" which seems to be of such concern on the Forum you instigated at CARM, Cheryl. :) BTW, I still hang around over there... and they are not having a continuous "Cheryl roast" any more. I think you started a very good thing, though. There are quite a few visitors and clearly, some are taking the challenge to really dig deeper into the Bible for answers... which is a very good fruit :) of your ugly experience :(

I think they view the bible with a pink lens because the godly example of women leaders in the bible (the pink verses) have miraculously disappeared. After all didn’t God only use women because he didn’t have any men whom he could use? Lots of pink was used to bring this view into focus.

Sounds like the root of the “feminization of the church” which seems to be of such concern on the Forum you instigated at CARM, Cheryl. :)

BTW, I still hang around over there… and they are not having a continuous “Cheryl roast” any more. I think you started a very good thing, though. There are quite a few visitors and clearly, some are taking the challenge to really dig deeper into the Bible for answers… which is a very good fruit :) of your ugly experience :(

]]> By: Don Johnson http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1847 Don Johnson Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:29:40 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1847 So the comps have no authority to speak in many believer's lives EXCEPT over a matter of sin. This is one reason they reach the conclusions they do and call a woman leading in church a rebellion, if they did not think this was the case, they should just mind their own business. So the comps have no authority to speak in many believer’s lives EXCEPT over a matter of sin. This is one reason they reach the conclusions they do and call a woman leading in church a rebellion, if they did not think this was the case, they should just mind their own business.

]]> By: Don Johnson http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1846 Don Johnson Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:18:15 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1846 Atheists and agnostics will try to point out that Christianity is offensive to and degrades women, etc. and they will quote the Bible and comp. interpretation. They WANT it to appear to be patriarchical, the better to get people to agree with them and reject Christianity as offensive. It is VERY educational to peek at some of their websites, they make up lists of why the Bible is offensive, etc. and the comps just play into their hands. On what I was trying to say before, for example, the SBC which accepts the comp position, the comps can speak at their churches and people listen to them, because they are invited. As they are invited and endorsed by the leaders, they have authority. But lots of churches do not invite them. Atheists and agnostics will try to point out that Christianity is offensive to and degrades women, etc. and they will quote the Bible and comp. interpretation. They WANT it to appear to be patriarchical, the better to get people to agree with them and reject Christianity as offensive. It is VERY educational to peek at some of their websites, they make up lists of why the Bible is offensive, etc. and the comps just play into their hands.

On what I was trying to say before, for example, the SBC which accepts the comp position, the comps can speak at their churches and people listen to them, because they are invited. As they are invited and endorsed by the leaders, they have authority. But lots of churches do not invite them.

]]> By: Justa Berean http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1840 Justa Berean Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:03:37 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1840 Let me clarify.... Don wrote: " There are MANY atheists and agnostics who AGREE with the comps, as they know that many people will then side with them." Do you mean the athiests and agnostics agree with gender hierarchy? or? I don't talk much with athiests. :) Let me clarify….

Don wrote: ” There are MANY atheists and agnostics who AGREE with the comps, as they know that many people will then side with them.”

Do you mean the athiests and agnostics agree with gender hierarchy? or? I don’t talk much with athiests. :)

]]> By: Justa Berean http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1839 Justa Berean Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:41:57 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1839 I didn't get that Don. Could you please rephrase it. Thanks. I've noticed that they don't really have many arguments to support the verses they misuse. After they use them up, adamant gender hierarchalists then start resorting to name calling, defamation of character, etc. Or constant repetition. Get's tiring. But I keep seeing more ways that God's Word weaves together the truth throught the whole of Scripture. I didn’t get that Don. Could you please rephrase it. Thanks.

I’ve noticed that they don’t really have many arguments to support the verses they misuse. After they use them up, adamant gender hierarchalists then start resorting to name calling, defamation of character, etc. Or constant repetition. Get’s tiring.

But I keep seeing more ways that God’s Word weaves together the truth throught the whole of Scripture.

]]> By: Don Johnson http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1838 Don Johnson Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:16:59 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1838 The ONLY way the comps can claim to have any authority to speak to a group that does not recognize their authority is about the gospel, this is why they seek to extend it. By falsely extending the gospel they reduce the number of people that can accept it. There are MANY atheists and agnostics who AGREE with the comps, as they know that many people will then side with them. It is all so sad. The ONLY way the comps can claim to have any authority to speak to a group that does not recognize their authority is about the gospel, this is why they seek to extend it. By falsely extending the gospel they reduce the number of people that can accept it. There are MANY atheists and agnostics who AGREE with the comps, as they know that many people will then side with them. It is all so sad.

]]> By: teknomom http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1837 teknomom Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:28:26 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1837 Cheryl, I wasn't too sharp when I wrote "phase", but something good came of it. :-0 Yeah, that old "God was scraping the bottom of the barrel when he used women" argument is so... what's the word... sorry, it's asinine. The most glaring problem with it is that scripture NEVER SAYS ANY SHUCH THING. They PRESUME God's reasons instead of getting them from God; they put words in his mouth. But that's what they do across the board, in their whole worldview from top to bottom. Cheryl, I wasn’t too sharp when I wrote “phase”, but something good came of it. :-0

Yeah, that old “God was scraping the bottom of the barrel when he used women” argument is so… what’s the word… sorry, it’s asinine. The most glaring problem with it is that scripture NEVER SAYS ANY SHUCH THING. They PRESUME God’s reasons instead of getting them from God; they put words in his mouth. But that’s what they do across the board, in their whole worldview from top to bottom.

]]> By: Cheryl http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1836 Cheryl Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:11:47 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/10/31/spiritual-gifts-a-means-for-obedience/#comment-1836 One question...does anyone know how things have fared on Matt's discussion board? Have I been properly buried and the grave stone marked yet? FYI I lodged a formal complaint with the radio station that Matt has his program on and I spoke to them yesterday. There may be some very good things that come out of this mess and if/when these things come to pass, I will keep you all informed. One question…does anyone know how things have fared on Matt’s discussion board? Have I been properly buried and the grave stone marked yet?

FYI I lodged a formal complaint with the radio station that Matt has his program on and I spoke to them yesterday. There may be some very good things that come out of this mess and if/when these things come to pass, I will keep you all informed.

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