Comments on: Witnessing on Worthy Boards http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/ This blog is for dialogue on the issue of women in ministry and the freedom for women to teach the bible in a public setting. It is also for questions and answers on our DVD entitled "Women in Ministry: Silenced or Set Free?" This 4 DVD set answers the hard passages of scripture that seem to restrict women's ministry. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:22:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Cheryl http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-3501 Cheryl Fri, 23 May 2008 20:19:20 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-3501 <p>Patricia,</p> <p>I don't know why you can't get onto worthy boards.  I haven't been on that board for a very long time.  I tried emailing you but the email address you gave me didn't work.  You may have a typo in your email address.</p> Patricia,

I don’t know why you can’t get onto worthy boards.  I haven’t been on that board for a very long time.  I tried emailing you but the email address you gave me didn’t work.  You may have a typo in your email address.

]]> By: patricia cooke http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-3500 patricia cooke Fri, 23 May 2008 18:59:45 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-3500 For some reason, after not being on boards due to illness, i just tried to get on the boards and cannot open the forum.  My daily worthy scripture has even stopped.  Since I may not get back here again please answer via my e-mail. thanks     patricia1 For some reason, after not being on boards due to illness, i just tried to get on the boards and cannot open the forum.  My daily worthy scripture has even stopped.  Since I may not get back here again please answer via my e-mail. thanks     patricia1

]]> By: Cheryl http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-917 Cheryl Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:12:57 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-917 Greg, Your humor is refreshing to me! Thanks for your comments and your humorous take on this subject. I guess this gives me more hope that I can stick only to scripture, 'cause I never learned how to dance! (Father was a Pastor and dancing was a definite no-no) Greg,

Your humor is refreshing to me! Thanks for your comments and your humorous take on this subject. I guess this gives me more hope that I can stick only to scripture, ’cause I never learned how to dance! (Father was a Pastor and dancing was a definite no-no)

]]> By: Greg Anderson http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-916 Greg Anderson Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:00:29 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-916 Cheryl, Good observation! What separates you from the complementarian dogmatists is that you are unafraid to go where the data leads. That is, you are willing to abandon your hypothesis if it is not supported by the data. Scripture and scripture alone is our body of data. Special pleading and appeals to ecclesiastical tradition ain't gonna cut it. So what is the import of 1 Cor. with regards to the women passages? If no "law" can be found in the O.T. which silences women, then as you've shown in your DVD's the only other plausible exegesis is that St. Paul was soundly refuting the judaizers which had crept into the Corinthian congregation. I've heard one complemetarian scholar tap dance around this too, the only thing that stumps me however is I can't figure out if he's tappin' to "Swanee river", "Oh Susannah", or "My old Kentucky home"... Cheryl, Good observation! What separates you from the complementarian dogmatists is that you are unafraid to go where the data leads. That is, you are willing to abandon your hypothesis if it is not supported by the data. Scripture and scripture alone is our body of data. Special pleading and appeals to ecclesiastical tradition ain’t gonna cut it. So what is the import of 1 Cor. with regards to the women passages? If no “law” can be found in the O.T. which silences women, then as you’ve shown in your DVD’s the only other plausible exegesis is that St. Paul was soundly refuting the judaizers which had crept into the Corinthian congregation. I’ve heard one complemetarian scholar tap dance around this too, the only thing that stumps me however is I can’t figure out if he’s tappin’ to “Swanee river”, “Oh Susannah”,
or “My old Kentucky home”…

]]> By: Cheryl http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-907 Cheryl Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:25:03 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-907 Justa Berean & Lin, Ah, yes, the onlookers (the lurkers) are the real reason some of us try so hard. If it wasn't for them, it would be just an experience of banging our heads against the wall. Greg, I see the tap dance too. It is an amazing thing to me. If my belief caused me to tap dance around questions and I saw holes in my argument, I would work hard to figure out why the holes are there or else change my view. For the life of me I can't understand what people get out of dancing around the questions. Yes, I do know that an attack is seen by some as the best defense since one never has to provide proof of anything, but where is the honest assessment of the challenge? I just really don't get it. The reason that I am as soundly grounded on the women's issue is only because I was challenged and I needed to find the answers for myself. A challenge is a good thing because it forces you to listen and consider and fix the problems. When people cover their eyes and their ears because they don't want to see and they don't want to hear, they are willingly blind and deaf. And sadly these people will be responsible for discouraging women from following Christ in their God-given gifts. One thing about complementarian scholars is that they don't know what to do with me. I present arguments that they have never heard before and trying to answer would involve a whole lot of work on a completely new paradigm. I only wish they would try to answer because I would really like to see what argumentation they could come up with. Justa Berean & Lin,

Ah, yes, the onlookers (the lurkers) are the real reason some of us try so hard. If it wasn’t for them, it would be just an experience of banging our heads against the wall.

Greg,

I see the tap dance too. It is an amazing thing to me. If my belief caused me to tap dance around questions and I saw holes in my argument, I would work hard to figure out why the holes are there or else change my view. For the life of me I can’t understand what people get out of dancing around the questions. Yes, I do know that an attack is seen by some as the best defense since one never has to provide proof of anything, but where is the honest assessment of the challenge? I just really don’t get it. The reason that I am as soundly grounded on the women’s issue is only because I was challenged and I needed to find the answers for myself. A challenge is a good thing because it forces you to listen and consider and fix the problems. When people cover their eyes and their ears because they don’t want to see and they don’t want to hear, they are willingly blind and deaf. And sadly these people will be responsible for discouraging women from following Christ in their God-given gifts.

One thing about complementarian scholars is that they don’t know what to do with me. I present arguments that they have never heard before and trying to answer would involve a whole lot of work on a completely new paradigm. I only wish they would try to answer because I would really like to see what argumentation they could come up with.

]]> By: Greg Anderson http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-906 Greg Anderson Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:48:44 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-906 Cheryl, One thing I noticed at the Worthy Boards is that those who are the most vehement about disallowing women to teach the Bible to men are the same ones who can never present factual data other than proof texting or special pleading to bolster their case. When you pressed one participant to show you the goods concerning the elusive "law" St. Paul refers to in 1 Cor. 14:34, that person could not produce one scripture that silences women anywhere in the old testament. That same individual went on to say that God does not have to provide any scriptural "witness" for any new testament stricture and that St. Paul's apparent "commands" concerning women are legally binding for all believers and for all time. I've seen this tap-dance before, even with complementarian scholars who should know better. Cheryl, One thing I noticed at the Worthy Boards is that those who are the most vehement about disallowing women to teach the Bible to men are the same ones who can never present factual data other than proof texting or special pleading to bolster their case. When you pressed one participant to show you the goods concerning the elusive “law” St. Paul refers to in 1 Cor. 14:34, that person could not produce one scripture that silences women anywhere in the old testament. That same individual went on to say that God does not have to provide any scriptural “witness” for any new testament stricture and that St. Paul’s apparent “commands” concerning women are legally binding for all believers and for all time.
I’ve seen this tap-dance before, even with complementarian scholars who should know better.

]]> By: Lin http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-905 Lin Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:47:58 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-905 "For those of you who wonder if talking on forums can produce paradigm shifts, it can. I’ve been on many forums over the last several years. Not only have I seen people change their views, but I’ve seen wounded individuals find some comfort. " This has happened to me, too. I have had onlookers e-mail me. My prayer is that everyone reading will be Bereans and check everything that is taught them them in the pulpit and everywhere. “For those of you who wonder if talking on forums can produce paradigm shifts, it can. I’ve been on many forums over the last several years. Not only have I seen people change their views, but I’ve seen wounded individuals find some comfort. ”

This has happened to me, too. I have had onlookers e-mail me. My prayer is that everyone reading will be Bereans and check everything that is taught them them in the pulpit and everywhere.

]]> By: Justa Berean http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-903 Justa Berean Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:09:14 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-903 For those of you who wonder if talking on forums can produce paradigm shifts, it can. I've been on many forums over the last several years. Not only have I seen people change their views, but I've seen wounded individuals find some comfort. It is rarely the one you are discoursing with who changes course, but the onlookers. Although I have had experiences where a handful of people whom I have debated with have adjusted their views. What is always rewarding is when suddenly you find your arguments and research passed on by others. If what you say makes sense, someone will see it and be blessed by it. For those of you who wonder if talking on forums can produce paradigm shifts, it can. I’ve been on many forums over the last several years. Not only have I seen people change their views, but I’ve seen wounded individuals find some comfort.

It is rarely the one you are discoursing with who changes course, but the onlookers. Although I have had experiences where a handful of people whom I have debated with have adjusted their views. What is always rewarding is when suddenly you find your arguments and research passed on by others. If what you say makes sense, someone will see it and be blessed by it.

]]> By: Cheryl http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-897 Cheryl Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:01:17 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-897 Well, Don, if it was up to me I would give you and every man who supports women like this a badge of honor! Well, Don, if it was up to me I would give you and every man who supports women like this a badge of honor!

]]> By: Don Johnson http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-895 Don Johnson Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:10:18 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/08/21/witnessing-on-worthy-boards/#comment-895 I agree on the arrogant aspect, but it also makes me realize that I too have done this and can do it again. In my techie job, I have once been chided by a friend pointing out I was trying to "prove something by emphatic assertion". When I teach in a church setting I try NOT to do this. As my name is Don, my gender has even been questioned on a forum by the male hierarchalists wondering if I was really "Dawn" in disquise. Given the context, I took it an a badge of honor. I agree on the arrogant aspect, but it also makes me realize that I too have done this and can do it again. In my techie job, I have once been chided by a friend pointing out I was trying to “prove something by emphatic assertion”. When I teach in a church setting I try NOT to do this.

As my name is Don, my gender has even been questioned on a forum by the male hierarchalists wondering if I was really “Dawn” in disquise. Given the context, I took it an a badge of honor.

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