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	<title>Comments on: Are females saved just like males?</title>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Justa Berean!</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Terran</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/09/are-females-saved-just-like-males/#comment-1926</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Terran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks all, Just helping out.</description>
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		<title>By: Justa Berean</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/09/are-females-saved-just-like-males/#comment-1924</link>
		<dc:creator>Justa Berean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Cheryl.  I was just mentioning this issue to someone.  It was a great surprise to see you discussing it.  And you outlined and explained it very well.

Michael you made some good points also.  Just like we are all the bride of Christ, we are all warriars, we are a priesthood, etc. we are also all "sons".  Each of those and other points carries certain privileges and gifts from our Lord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Cheryl.  I was just mentioning this issue to someone.  It was a great surprise to see you discussing it.  And you outlined and explained it very well.</p>
<p>Michael you made some good points also.  Just like we are all the bride of Christ, we are all warriars, we are a priesthood, etc. we are also all &#8220;sons&#8221;.  Each of those and other points carries certain privileges and gifts from our Lord.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thoughts, Michael!</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Terran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Terran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phrase "sons of God" 
I always throught it this way if men are "Sons of God" then women are Daugthers of God, we are all Heirs etc. But Now I see this Male imagery and why women are used in it, to show Their Full Equal Share!

I just say this because some people teach (Take Out Of Context) that women will become men in heaven. Of course that's not True and that is easy rebuked. 

The phrase is "Sons of God" yet in the context is applyed to women as well. Is the phrase use so that we the reader see women are equal to men as join Heirs, we are all "Sons Of God" meaning Join Heirs. This Male imagery "Sons of God"  has nothing to do with gender change. It's just used to show Womens Equal Worth. Like the Female imagery "The Bride Of Christ" which men are also included in this imagery! Yet has nothing to do with gender change(Men becoming Women), there will alway be Male and Female in His image. The Bride imagery is to show that closeness, oneness (partakers of the Divine nature),the deep love He (Christ) has for his Bride. Yet males are inculded like I said in this Female imagery! If we Link these two imagerys "Male &#38; Female" it shows Equality of Male &#38; Female. Right here is two witnesses, the two imagerys!

I think I typed all this so no one on the other opposing side can say or take this out of context to mean "sameness"( only one gender) or asexual etc. No

Male and Female will both be in Heaven and these two imagerys just show Biblical Equaliy,Fairness,Full Join Heirs For All Of Gods Children, No Hiarchy. Perfect, Just how it should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phrase &#8220;sons of God&#8221;<br />
I always throught it this way if men are &#8220;Sons of God&#8221; then women are Daugthers of God, we are all Heirs etc. But Now I see this Male imagery and why women are used in it, to show Their Full Equal Share!</p>
<p>I just say this because some people teach (Take Out Of Context) that women will become men in heaven. Of course that&#8217;s not True and that is easy rebuked. </p>
<p>The phrase is &#8220;Sons of God&#8221; yet in the context is applyed to women as well. Is the phrase use so that we the reader see women are equal to men as join Heirs, we are all &#8220;Sons Of God&#8221; meaning Join Heirs. This Male imagery &#8220;Sons of God&#8221;  has nothing to do with gender change. It&#8217;s just used to show Womens Equal Worth. Like the Female imagery &#8220;The Bride Of Christ&#8221; which men are also included in this imagery! Yet has nothing to do with gender change(Men becoming Women), there will alway be Male and Female in His image. The Bride imagery is to show that closeness, oneness (partakers of the Divine nature),the deep love He (Christ) has for his Bride. Yet males are inculded like I said in this Female imagery! If we Link these two imagerys &#8220;Male &amp; Female&#8221; it shows Equality of Male &amp; Female. Right here is two witnesses, the two imagerys!</p>
<p>I think I typed all this so no one on the other opposing side can say or take this out of context to mean &#8220;sameness&#8221;( only one gender) or asexual etc. No</p>
<p>Male and Female will both be in Heaven and these two imagerys just show Biblical Equaliy,Fairness,Full Join Heirs For All Of Gods Children, No Hiarchy. Perfect, Just how it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lin,

You are exactly right in that "heir" is something beyond salvation.  Complementarians have tried so hard to make Galatians 3:28 to be nothing but salvation.  However the context right flows right into chapter 4 where the full inheritance is discussed.  Paul says in verse 7: "Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God."  If you are a son, i.e. if you are saved and belong to the family of God, then you are an heir of all that God has.  Is this only salvation.  No it can't be. It can't just be about women being saved, but about women being heirs.  If, then, women are "sons", then women are "heirs" of God who also inherit everything too.  If women are also "heirs" then it is impossible that God holds back some of his gifts from this group.  The only way one can not see the gifts in this passage is if one comes to Galatians 3:28 with a preconceived notion that women have only one thing in common with men and that is salvation.  When one doesn't have that tradition in mind, chapter 4 blows away the false tradition that women are equal to God (in salvation) but unequal to men (in God's gifts).  Praise God that he makes all of us "sons" of God so that there is no prejudice or special treat of any with God!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lin,</p>
<p>You are exactly right in that &#8220;heir&#8221; is something beyond salvation.  Complementarians have tried so hard to make Galatians 3:28 to be nothing but salvation.  However the context right flows right into chapter 4 where the full inheritance is discussed.  Paul says in verse 7: &#8220;Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.&#8221;  If you are a son, i.e. if you are saved and belong to the family of God, then you are an heir of all that God has.  Is this only salvation.  No it can&#8217;t be. It can&#8217;t just be about women being saved, but about women being heirs.  If, then, women are &#8220;sons&#8221;, then women are &#8220;heirs&#8221; of God who also inherit everything too.  If women are also &#8220;heirs&#8221; then it is impossible that God holds back some of his gifts from this group.  The only way one can not see the gifts in this passage is if one comes to Galatians 3:28 with a preconceived notion that women have only one thing in common with men and that is salvation.  When one doesn&#8217;t have that tradition in mind, chapter 4 blows away the false tradition that women are equal to God (in salvation) but unequal to men (in God&#8217;s gifts).  Praise God that he makes all of us &#8220;sons&#8221; of God so that there is no prejudice or special treat of any with God!</p>
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		<title>By: Lin</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/09/are-females-saved-just-like-males/#comment-737</link>
		<dc:creator>Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl, perhaps I am being too simplistic but I do not understand the need to even mention an 'inheritance' if He is only talking about salvation. That was not an issue in the OT for women, was it? But it was an issue with man made traditions, right?

So why use the word 'heirs' or 'inheritance'? Seems it would encompass more than salvation alone. 

I feel like I keep missing something that everyone else is seeing but I am not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl, perhaps I am being too simplistic but I do not understand the need to even mention an &#8216;inheritance&#8217; if He is only talking about salvation. That was not an issue in the OT for women, was it? But it was an issue with man made traditions, right?</p>
<p>So why use the word &#8216;heirs&#8217; or &#8216;inheritance&#8217;? Seems it would encompass more than salvation alone. </p>
<p>I feel like I keep missing something that everyone else is seeing but I am not.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/09/are-females-saved-just-like-males/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Under Much Grace",

Yes, Amen! The fact that it was the sons who inherited in the Old Testament and Christ has made us all sons gives us the reason that we all are joint heirs with Christ.  Those who say that there is a division between "sons" of God and "daughters" of God are not being biblical.  We are all "sons" all "heirs" and the Holy Spirit has been given to all of us as a down payment of our full inheritance.

I am glad that you took the time to listen to Russel Moore's full lecture too see how the other side (the complementarians) are living out their own "dividing wall" in not accepting women's spiritual gifts for the edification of the entire body of Christ.

Blessings!
Cheryl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Under Much Grace&#8221;,</p>
<p>Yes, Amen! The fact that it was the sons who inherited in the Old Testament and Christ has made us all sons gives us the reason that we all are joint heirs with Christ.  Those who say that there is a division between &#8220;sons&#8221; of God and &#8220;daughters&#8221; of God are not being biblical.  We are all &#8220;sons&#8221; all &#8220;heirs&#8221; and the Holy Spirit has been given to all of us as a down payment of our full inheritance.</p>
<p>I am glad that you took the time to listen to Russel Moore&#8217;s full lecture too see how the other side (the complementarians) are living out their own &#8220;dividing wall&#8221; in not accepting women&#8217;s spiritual gifts for the edification of the entire body of Christ.</p>
<p>Blessings!<br />
Cheryl</p>
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		<title>By: Under Much Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Under Much Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl,

After just listening to Russell Moore's whole lecture on the CBMW site from Feburary, this comes as a refreshing help.  (He argues for male headship because of the term "sons" and not that of "sons and daughters," but what he said made no sense to me in light of the whole book as you describe here.)  Your explanation describes my understanding of Galatians and my understanding of how Christianity was markedly different from all other religions in its honor of women.  This came as a pleasant washing in the water of the Word for me today.  How thankful I am for this gracious love and inheritance that God offers women, slaves and foreigners through life in Jesus!  (How does that or can it ever become a rejection of God's Lordship?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl,</p>
<p>After just listening to Russell Moore&#8217;s whole lecture on the CBMW site from Feburary, this comes as a refreshing help.  (He argues for male headship because of the term &#8220;sons&#8221; and not that of &#8220;sons and daughters,&#8221; but what he said made no sense to me in light of the whole book as you describe here.)  Your explanation describes my understanding of Galatians and my understanding of how Christianity was markedly different from all other religions in its honor of women.  This came as a pleasant washing in the water of the Word for me today.  How thankful I am for this gracious love and inheritance that God offers women, slaves and foreigners through life in Jesus!  (How does that or can it ever become a rejection of God&#8217;s Lordship?)</p>
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