Comments on: Paul refutes a faulty tradition http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/ This blog is for dialogue on the issue of women in ministry and the freedom for women to teach the bible in a public setting. It is also for questions and answers on our DVD entitled "Women in Ministry: Silenced or Set Free?" This 4 DVD set answers the hard passages of scripture that seem to restrict women's ministry. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:12:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Cheryl http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/#comment-736 Cheryl Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:30:22 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/#comment-736 Under Much Grace, I am very touched by your testimony. To be honest, the tears are rolling down my cheeks! These are the kinds of testimonies that touches my heart so much and is the reason why WIM was produced with a heart of love for both men and women. God's grace and the glorious liberty we have in Christ to serve the body of Christ are so amazing, it makes me weep with joy! Your sister in Christ, Cheryl Under Much Grace,

I am very touched by your testimony. To be honest, the tears are rolling down my cheeks! These are the kinds of testimonies that touches my heart so much and is the reason why WIM was produced with a heart of love for both men and women. God’s grace and the glorious liberty we have in Christ to serve the body of Christ are so amazing, it makes me weep with joy!

Your sister in Christ,
Cheryl

]]> By: Under Much Grace http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/#comment-735 Under Much Grace Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:07:10 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/#comment-735 Cheryl, This is all so compelling! I just finished watching your WIM videos with tears rolling down my face. I grew up with the Assemblies of God's standard for women, but I also observed continual rebellion of women elders against pastors there. In my search for a better example, I wound up in a Shepherding/Discipleship group. They offered what seemed to be a more balanced view about spiritual gifts and healing, as well as an alternative to the rebellious example of the few women in my memory. I am so broken to realize that so many of the truths that you point out were truths I used to know and defend. My desire to find better role models and my disappointments in poor examples lead me into error. How grieved and broken I am over my falling away and years wasted in deception... And how full of joy and gratitude I am in having many of these truths restored to me anew. As so many people who fall prey to these deceptions, I should have been the least likely person to get caught up in an abusive group. I just finished <a href="http://www.dallascult.com/" rel="nofollow">Wendy Duncan's book</a>, and she is another unlikely example: both a social worker and a graduate of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. We all are vulnerable to these subtle deceptions when the timing and circumstances get the better of us. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Cheryl,

This is all so compelling! I just finished watching your WIM videos with tears rolling down my face. I grew up with the Assemblies of God’s standard for women, but I also observed continual rebellion of women elders against pastors there. In my search for a better example, I wound up in a Shepherding/Discipleship group. They offered what seemed to be a more balanced view about spiritual gifts and healing, as well as an alternative to the rebellious example of the few women in my memory. I am so broken to realize that so many of the truths that you point out were truths I used to know and defend. My desire to find better role models and my disappointments in poor examples lead me into error.

How grieved and broken I am over my falling away and years wasted in deception…
And how full of joy and gratitude I am in having many of these truths restored to me anew.

As so many people who fall prey to these deceptions, I should have been the least likely person to get caught up in an abusive group. I just finished Wendy Duncan’s book, and she is another unlikely example: both a social worker and a graduate of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. We all are vulnerable to these subtle deceptions when the timing and circumstances get the better of us.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

]]> By: Cheryl http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/#comment-724 Cheryl Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:19:42 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/#comment-724 There. I fixed the link. I am pleased to be at your service. Cheryl There. I fixed the link. I am pleased to be at your service.

Cheryl

]]> By: Cheryl http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/#comment-723 Cheryl Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:17:09 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/#comment-723 "H" my friend, Thanks for the link. I am familiar with Giles work and I highly recommend it. There are some personal conclusions on other issues that I do not agree with Giles on, however on the subject of the Trinity, his research is outstanding. I will also see if I can fix the link to make it work properly. Blessings, Cheryl “H” my friend,
Thanks for the link. I am familiar with Giles work and I highly recommend it. There are some personal conclusions on other issues that I do not agree with Giles on, however on the subject of the Trinity, his research is outstanding.

I will also see if I can fix the link to make it work properly.
Blessings,
Cheryl

]]> By: hannibal.lecture http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/#comment-718 hannibal.lecture Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:07:20 +0000 http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2007/07/04/paul-refutes-a-faulty-tradition/#comment-718 <p>Cheryl, As always your thoughts are compelling and as always, the complementarians are still mired in tradition. Grudem, Moore, Kostenberger et. al. must now re-manufacture the trinity so that it has a divinely instituted hierarchy (eternal subordination of the Son to the Father). They do this to bolster their case for the continued subordination of women throughout the church age. Kevin Giles has written an excellent essay on this, in which he dismantles their thesis as simply a repackaging of the old Arian heresy in the early centuries of church history. Here's the link and I do hope it's typed correctly as this window would not allow me to paste it in:<br /> http://www.cbeinternational.org/new/pdf_files/free_articles/ETS%202006%20Paper%20Sons%20Authority.pdf<br /> Bear in mind also that Kostenberger would not allow Giles to publish a rebuttal in JETS (Journal of the Evangelical Society). Giles' stuff was returned to him as "unacceptable" by Kostenbeger. Whew! that was a mouthful! (window full?) Once again Cheryl,<br /> I am indebted to you for your patience.<br /> H.</p> Cheryl, As always your thoughts are compelling and as always, the complementarians are still mired in tradition. Grudem, Moore, Kostenberger et. al. must now re-manufacture the trinity so that it has a divinely instituted hierarchy (eternal subordination of the Son to the Father). They do this to bolster their case for the continued subordination of women throughout the church age. Kevin Giles has written an excellent essay on this, in which he dismantles their thesis as simply a repackaging of the old Arian heresy in the early centuries of church history. Here’s the link and I do hope it’s typed correctly as this window would not allow me to paste it in:
http://www.cbeinternational.org/new/pdf_files/free_articles/ETS%202006%20Paper%20Sons%20Authority.pdf
Bear in mind also that Kostenberger would not allow Giles to publish a rebuttal in JETS (Journal of the Evangelical Society). Giles’ stuff was returned to him as “unacceptable” by Kostenbeger. Whew! that was a mouthful! (window full?) Once again Cheryl,
I am indebted to you for your patience.
H.

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