Thanks for your 2 cents worth!

Cheryl

There are as you know - many protestant denominations, Many holding ordained elders credentials who have neither been educated, vetted, or schooled in traditional Christian doctrine, relying instead upon a prayer voice they presume to be that of the Holy Spirit. Now it may or may not be…but man does hold a position as stewards of Christs bride, and in those situations would ensure the narrowness of the path for sleepy sheep.

my two cents - LOL - that and 50 cents will get you coffee

As far as ordination, I do believe that it is good to have a body confirm the maturity that they see in us but it isn’t necessary. A pastor is a pastor not because he/she has been ordained but because she/he has been gifted as pastor to the church (Eph 4:11). When the disciples tried to ordain the 12th apostle after Judas died, they fell short. Since an apostle is a gift to the church (Eph 4:11), it cannot be a matter of man’s vote. Paul makes it clear that he is the chosen apostle, chosen by Jesus Christ and not by man’s ordination.

Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),

Ive said it before - there needs to be a distinction between female teaching and ordination in this discussion as a whole - Too often the line is blurred.

I see a call to teaching and leadership - I am ambivalent on ordination because it isnt Scripturally clear.

I totally agree with you teknomom!

In the book of Kings God called out two “SHE BEARS” and killed 40 kids/people for making fun of his prophet! We all know you don’t mess with mom let alone momma bear! Christians…men…over look those little things in scripture. He didn’t use two male bears, No, But two “SHE”/FEMALE bears! Just when they All think they have God figured out….Boom…then we open up scripture and say to our selfs wait just a minute! Thank You Holy Spirit! LOL (Smile)

you said “Neither extreme is right.”

Your right on that one. I said this before, I think God uses male terms like ,He, Father,Him etc so noone can say God birth the creation/world from within, alot of Goddess cults & newagers teach stranges things like that more or less. Men don’t have wombs and just shows us humans that God created everything from Nothing, he spoke it and it was so! Also the trinity is 3 persons Yet there is only ONE God. Using male terms within the Trinity shows that they did not birth one another but that ALL 3 are Co-equal/No beginning and No end etc. So using male terms is wisdom on God’s part to make those issue clear to us. Also we know Jesus had to be male because of Adams sin Not Eves (woman)! That clears up that issue as well!

Yet wisdom is refurred to in a Female term…She!

God did say in the endtimes people would go from bad to worse, one extreme too the other! An don’t we see that today!!!!!! LOL

God Bless You In Understanding The Deeper Things Of God!

This only shows once again how patriarchy drives people to error, on both sides of the issue. Had male supremacy not been taught in the churches for so long, women would not have something to rebel against. Neither extreme is right. God is neither male nor female, but in declaring him male, comps have caused some women to declare a female deity too. But a female deity is no worse than a male one, since in several places God says plainly, “I am not a man”. Here again, the assumption that grammatical gender = biological gender (which is pretty much only true of English) leads to belief that God must be either male or female, when in fact he is neither.

In fact, if God must be male, then he must have a female counterpart. One necessitates the other!

I’m sure the comps would come back with, “We don’t say God is male, but masculine.” And I would respond, “What is the practical difference? Can masculinity be separated from maleness? If a woman acts in a way you declare to be “masculine”, is she more like God? And where are these lines drawn in the scriptures? Does not God have ‘feminine’ qualities too, like compassion, nurturing spiritual children, protecting his people as a mother hen, etc.?”

Quote: Satan has confused matters by bringing ungodly women into the secular women’s movement who not only have hijacked that movement and taken it onto a pathway of evil but who usurp God’s authority in creation and teach that men and women are the same. By their ungodly and unnatural teaching they uphold the sinful position of those who want to propagate same sex unions. Again the lie of the devil is that equality = sameness. End Quote

The Berean Call

1. The Goddess and the Liberal Church
[ http://www.thebereancall.org/node/6109 ]

The Goddess and the Liberal Church

The message of the goddess has gained a hearing in the church as well.
The philosophy of the goddess is currently being taught in the
classrooms of some of our seminaries. In a growing number of seminaries
the student population is becoming increasingly female, and many of
these women have a feminist outlook on life. Mary Daly, who considers
herself to be a Christian feminist, says this about traditional
Christianity: “To put it bluntly, I propose that Christianity itself
should be castrated.” The primary focus of the “Christian” feminist is
to bring an end to what they perceive as male-dominated religion by
“castrating” the male influence from religion. Daly continued by
saying,

“I am suggesting that the idea of salvation uniquely by a male savior
perpetuates the problem of patriarchal oppression.”(Alice Hageman,
Theology After the Demise of God the Father: A Call for the Castration
of Sexist Religion, New York: Association Press, 1974, 132.)

Reverend Susan Cady, co-author of Sophia: The Future of Feminist
Spirituality and pastor of Emmanuel United Methodist Church in
Philadelphia, is one example of the direction that Daly and others are
taking the church. The authors of Sophia state that, “Sophia is a
female, goddess-like figure appearing clearly in the Scriptures of the
Hebrew tradition.”

Wisdom Feast, the authors’ latest book, clearly identifies Jesus with
Sophia. Sophialogy presents Sophia as a separate goddess and Jesus as
her prophet. The book takes liberty with Jesus by replacing the
masculine deity with the feminine deity Sophia. Another example of how
goddess “thealogy” (note feminist spelling for theology) is making its
way into the liberal church is through seminars held on seminary
campuses.

One such seminar was held at the Perkins School of Theology at Southern
Methodist University. “Wisdomweaving: Woman Embodied in Faiths” was
held
at the school in February of 1990. If one looks at the schedule of the
seminar, it is obvious that the emphasis was not on orthodoxy. Linda
Finnell, a follower of Wicca and one of the speakers, spoke on the
subject of “Returning to the Goddess Through Dianic Witchcraft.” Two of
the keynote speakers were of a New Age persuasion. In fact, one, Sr.
Jose Hobday, works with Matthew Fox and Starhawk at the Institute for
Creation Spirituality.

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What a Great point to bring out Cherly! Woman means man with a womb. So a women form would be geared for that and the soft voice and frame go with that, they complete one another. There would be a different but in noway that means one would have rule over the other instead they would rule equally together as a team! Both need each other to be complete and whole!